Occupy Wall Street heats up

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You just have to read their Proposed DEMANDS, that will give you a good idea just who we are dealing with.:toung:

Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! (User Submitted) Posted Sept. 25, 2011, 3:46 p.m. EST (12 days ago) by anonymous

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.


http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/
 
You just have to read their Proposed DEMANDS, that will give you a good idea just who we are dealing with.:toung:

Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! (User Submitted) Posted Sept. 25, 2011, 3:46 p.m. EST (12 days ago) by anonymous

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.



http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/


Okay I couldnt help myself just one more post!

Heres a tidbit from the comments on that page.

Nature doesn't allow any living being to claim inalienable right to the place it lives. Humans as a group have agreed to property rights so as to prevent disputes/fights between individuals. So no human can claim right to any property. STFU!

Okay WHO wants to be first line to give up their Homes? (Thats the crazy mindset of these people on the hard left.) Mayla? Cletter? You espouse this awesome protest and movement, yes?
I know you all cant wait to become part of the Collective. Why not GO AHEAD and SELL now? Give the profits to the those poor protesters!!

C'mon it wont hurt much.
 
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree and step away from this discussion, or someone will get their feelings hurt. That's not a threat, just a statement based on experience. If you're the type that must have the last word, then go ahead. I will do my best not to respond.

So we are back to the conservative victim complex. You have not supported any of your suppositions with supportable facts.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-27-2011/gop---special-victims-unit?xrs=share_copy

Wikipedia has not been proven bias towards either party, but is biased in that it focuses on American. A simple google search gives many opinions on this subject. Bias is imbedded in every act of information sharing as humans have their own inherent biases. Clips of those racial slurs are available on the web if you are willing to search for them.

Asking anyone to prove that something is not wrong is also a cop-out. Arguing (discussion require common ground) with people who refuse to see the other side in compassionate terms (walk in their shoes) and prefer to paint the protesters as outside the norm (they are not) is a waste of time.

Have a good weekend and continued good wishes for the people who are taking the time to show their dissatisfaction with the status quo.
 
Of course you are aware that Jon Stewart is a Comedian?
 
Large sigh. No, if it fits in to the argument most do not realize that any one who has a show on Comedy Central is a comedian. It is gospel as are Rush and Glen to others. There is no hope and no free thinking for individuals allowed. Make sure you prounounce Colbert correctly around the water cooler.
 
I have nothing against these protesters except that many don't seem to know exactly why they are there.

I've seen your comment about Occupy Wall Street before, albeit it comes in different formats. Donald Trump's..." a lot of them are down there for dating purposes! It’s true, they’re down there to meet people.”

The thing about a true Grassroots movement, which I believe this is, thus far, and I'll unabashedly use Wiki to definte it:

A grassroots movement (often referenced in the context of a political movement) is one driven by the politics of a community. The term implies that the creation of the movement and the group supporting it are natural and spontaneous, highlighting the differences between this and a movement that is orchestrated by traditional power structures.

..it is "spontaneous." There is no Dick Armey or Karl Rove or Koch brothers coming in with big money, fancy web sites, or glitzy "Tea Party Express" logos on the sides of big buses. This movement, thus far, is truly grassroots. The Tea Party movement may have been grass roots, but the original idea was so quickly co-opted by those just mentioned, it became hard to tell. I've always wondered, if the Tea Party Patriots define themselves as non-partisan, why did they allow the Express et al to use their brand?

Furthermore, I think comments, today, from Rep Eric Cantor and Tea Party Favorite Senator Rand Paul, like "growing mobs occupying Wall Street and other cities in this country" are ridiculous and defensive. A true sign this grassroots movement is working.

Someone in here stated something about plants in the Tea Party crowd. I wonder if it occurred to him this can work both ways. If you think someone places plants (carrying guns maybe??) in a Tea Party rally, one could equally suspect plants might be placed from the Right, to stir up and create an "angry mob" where none existed before, based on Cantor's and Paul's statements today.

I'll say one more thing...I come to this site for ideas about my TSP, but it is truly difficult to see how some here treat liberals. Is it safety in numbers that allows one to insult another's intelligence?
 
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The thing about a true Grassroots movement, which I believe this is, thus far, and I'll unabashedly use Wiki to definte it:

A grassroots movement (often referenced in the context of a political movement) is one driven by the politics of a community. The term implies that the creation of the movement and the group supporting it are natural and spontaneous, highlighting the differences between this and a movement that is orchestrated by traditional power structures.

..it is "spontaneous." There is no Dick Armey or Karl Rove or Koch brothers coming in with big money, fancy web sites, or glitzy "Tea Party Express" logos on the sides of big buses. This movement, thus far, is truly grassroots. The Tea Party movement may have been grass roots, but the original idea was so quickly co-opted by those just mentioned, it became hard to tell. I've always wondered, if the Tea Party Patriots define themselves as non-partisan, why did they allow the Express et al to use their brand?
How about George Soros, MoveOn.org, SEIU and many other unions backing this? The Tea Party Express was started by... Tea Party members.

I'll say one more thing...I come to this site for ideas about my TSP, but it is truly difficult to see how some here treat liberals. Is it safety in numbers that allows one to insult another's intelligence?
Glad you're here for the TSP. Me too. :D You may want to try www.Beltwaytalk.com. One of our liberal members runs that forum so you may enjoy the conservative bashing a little more. :)
 
How about George Soros, MoveOn.org, SEIU and many other unions backing this? The Tea Party Express was started by... Tea Party members.


Glad you're here for the TSP. Me too. :D You may want to try www.Beltwaytalk.com. One of our liberal members runs that forum so you may enjoy the conservative bashing a little more. :)

So, this Tsptalk site is a Conservatives only website where Conservatives are allowed to bash Liberals (eg post #61), but my post, with no name calling, just observations and facts gets called out for "bashing?" i'm crying foul. I guess I was mistaken when I signed up for one of the Premium Services...i didn't see the check box for political affiliations. Are refunds available? (Truthfully, i stopped using it months ago despite paying for the year.)

Furthermore, I do know something of the origins of the Tea Party as my good friend is head of the local Tea Party Patriots chapter. We've also been working together on a sizeable remodel on my house over the last 2 years and have had plenty of discussions concerning the Tea Party Express. The Express hijacked the original movement, btw. Interestingly enough, another original Tea Party group sent out a letter of support for OWS today. There are commonalities.

Back to your other comment, I've seen no creditable evidence that there is any one financier or political organization funding, advertising or bussing participants into Occupy Wall Street. I think the people involved are quite aware of how they could become the servants, rather than master. i've seen that Soros has expressed "sympathy" for the cause, but nothing about money. The thing about Soros and his causes, most of them really are against his own personal interests...like raising taxes on millionaires. I trust that more than a billionaire donating money to a politician or PAC to get lowered taxes, special tax loopholes, or sudsidies for one's business endeavor.

Didn't see ACORN on your list! ;)

Thanks FireWeather...we might actually work for the same federal agency, based on your name.
 
This is the problem with politics. Everyone has to defend their party. They attack each other, over and over. (sigh) everyone should declare indepence from a party. Quit attacking each other. Only then can we think on our own.

I don't trust either party and I don't trust wall street.
 
No attacks, just searching for the truth!
The problem is you can search for the truth you want to believe in or your party wants you to believe in, and it may be the truth. If you want to be honest with yourself, look for the corruption in your own party.

Forget your party affiliations and you will be set free. Both sides are corrupt and have folks backing them that are bad.
 
Clester, you tell us we need to think for ourselves and that you are so tired of people cutting down the protesters, but you must have ignored much of what I wrote.

As I said, I am quite sympathetic to people that are having trouble due to these tough economic times. I lost my home to foreclosure just 3 weeks ago! It was not a strategic default, and the causes that led up to it are many and complex. These protesters do not understand the issues and they certainly do not represent me or have my back. What do I have left, financially? I am quite fortunate to still be employed and I may possibly retire one day, only because of my TSP. That's why I am here.

I get the sense that the protesters don't even know what a corporation is. Do they know that it was corporations that made their shoes, clothes, laptops, phones, tents, backpacks, books, cigarettes, etc? Do they understand that corporations exist to make a profit for their shareholders? Do they understand that if they think a corporation makes too much money that they are free to buy from the competition? Do they want all corporations to become non-profit? If you support that then you must be here only to track the G Fund.

Its true that the business world has plenty of bad apples. I always hope that the bad apples will be caught and punished according to the law. Wasn't it President Obama just the other day that said many of the causes of the current economic problems were caused by "immoral and wreckless" actions, but that they weren't illegal in most cases? In most cases business people are just like the rest of us...trying to do their best within the framework of the law. This is a nation of laws and due process, and I support that. I also support making positive changes the same way.

The problem I have is that the protesters more resemble an angry emotional mob throwing a tantrum rather than people who understand the problems and are ready to effect positive change. If they understood what caused these problems then they would be camped out in front of the White House, the Federal Reserve, the capital building, and every office of each senator and congressman and woman. Neither party seems willing or able to fix these problems. When I think of all of the politicians over the last 20 years that really had different "out of the box" ideas and they seemed to genuinely want to help solve problems I can think of Paul Wellstone and Ron Paul and not many others. Wrong or right, these two were/are in it for the people and felt their ideas would help. These protesters should be finding more such candidates and running them in a "grass roots" effort.

In my case I saw many details that were seriously F'd up, such as a short sale that was "all but done" just two days prior to my foreclosure. The house is now in Fannie Mae's possession and not on the market. It is on a long list of "shadow inventory" houses. Why? Because of many laws and actions from politicians that made this outcome the best for the multiple banks and third party contractors that handled my situation. These laws and acts were passed with the intention of helping homeowners or helping the economy recover. I saw this coming for a long time because I understand the law of unintended consequences is the dominant one in DC. They are naive, clueless, party-serving idealists in most cases.

I will say it again...If I was out on the streets protesting against the actions or even existense of wealthy wall st/corporate fat cats and I realized that I was being backed and pushed by one of the very same for the sole reason of antagonizing his political and business rivals I would feel like the biggest fool this side of Pluto. But I doubt most will realize that.
 
So, this Tsptalk site is a Conservatives only website where Conservatives are allowed to bash Liberals (eg post #61), but my post, with no name calling, just observations and facts gets called out for "bashing?" i'm crying foul. I guess I was mistaken when I signed up for one of the Premium Services...i didn't see the check box for political affiliations. Are refunds available? (Truthfully, i stopped using it months ago despite paying for the year.)
That post 61 was a problem and I missed it. My bad. It has been removed. Here is how to cancel... http://www.tsptalk.com/faq2.html#11

You reminded me that discussing politics is a losing proposition with no winners. I guess I was fooling myself to think we can try it again. We tried it once and it failed. I thought maybe we can learn from our experience but it is not going to work. I think we're better off without it.

Politics - out.
 
Clester, you tell us we need to think for ourselves and that you are so tired of people cutting down the protesters, but you must have ignored much of what I wrote.

As I said, I am quite sympathetic to people that are having trouble due to these tough economic times. I lost my home to foreclosure just 3 weeks ago! It was not a strategic default, and the causes that led up to it are many and complex. These protesters do not understand the issues and they certainly do not represent me or have my back. What do I have left, financially? I am quite fortunate to still be employed and I may possibly retire one day, only because of my TSP. That's why I am here.

I get the sense that the protesters don't even know what a corporation is. Do they know that it was corporations that made their shoes, clothes, laptops, phones, tents, backpacks, books, cigarettes, etc? Do they understand that corporations exist to make a profit for their shareholders? Do they understand that if they think a corporation makes too much money that they are free to buy from the competition? Do they want all corporations to become non-profit? If you support that then you must be here only to track the G Fund.

Its true that the business world has plenty of bad apples. I always hope that the bad apples will be caught and punished according to the law. Wasn't it President Obama just the other day that said many of the causes of the current economic problems were caused by "immoral and wreckless" actions, but that they weren't illegal in most cases? In most cases business people are just like the rest of us...trying to do their best within the framework of the law. This is a nation of laws and due process, and I support that. I also support making positive changes the same way.

The problem I have is that the protesters more resemble an angry emotional mob throwing a tantrum rather than people who understand the problems and are ready to effect positive change. If they understood what caused these problems then they would be camped out in front of the White House, the Federal Reserve, the capital building, and every office of each senator and congressman and woman. Neither party seems willing or able to fix these problems. When I think of all of the politicians over the last 20 years that really had different "out of the box" ideas and they seemed to genuinely want to help solve problems I can think of Paul Wellstone and Ron Paul and not many others. Wrong or right, these two were/are in it for the people and felt their ideas would help. These protesters should be finding more such candidates and running them in a "grass roots" effort.

In my case I saw many details that were seriously F'd up, such as a short sale that was "all but done" just two days prior to my foreclosure. The house is now in Fannie Mae's possession and not on the market. It is on a long list of "shadow inventory" houses. Why? Because of many laws and actions from politicians that made this outcome the best for the multiple banks and third party contractors that handled my situation. These laws and acts were passed with the intention of helping homeowners or helping the economy recover. I saw this coming for a long time because I understand the law of unintended consequences is the dominant one in DC. They are naive, clueless, party-serving idealists in most cases.

I will say it again...If I was out on the streets protesting against the actions or even existense of wealthy wall st/corporate fat cats and I realized that I was being backed and pushed by one of the very same for the sole reason of antagonizing his political and business rivals I would feel like the biggest fool this side of Pluto. But I doubt most will realize that.
Many good points there, I happen to agree with you on this one.
 
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It's to bad we just can't seem to stay civil and keep from name calling in these situations.
 
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