Occupy Wall Street heats up

[tsptalk]

Well, despite the requests, we had yet another disrespectful post from our friend Birchtree. It was deleted and B will have to sit out for a couple of days.

I'm heading out of town this afternoon and I think our mods will have something better to do than monitor this thread on a Friday night, so in the interim, any posts that are purposely out of line will be rewarded with a mini-vacation from the forums.

You can voice your opinion. Just please remember you are on a public forum.

Thanks

 

[tsptalk]

Protest have been a time tested and honorable response for the ordinary citizen in times of social and political inequality.

I have nothing against these protesters except that many don't seem to know exactly why they are there.

I think why many on the right find these protests amusing (if that is the right word) is because of how demonized the Tea Party was (and is) for their protests. These were middle class, tax payers concerned about taxes and over spending. They were called every name in the book, and few names that weren't in the book.

It seems hypocritical how sympathetic the left is now for this event. Pelosi is saying, "God bless these protesters". When it was the Tea Party she wept saying she remembers hearing this kind of violent rhetoric back in the 60's. It's unbelievable to me.

I understand partisanship, but it goes to show that the folks in Washington (both sides) do not care about half of this country.

See Birchtree - I didn't have to offend anyone to make my point. It's easy.

 

[Viva_La_Migra]

Protest have been a time tested and honorable response for the ordinary citizen in times of social and political inequality. Fix the problems and the protest will go away. Until then, more people will see the cracks in the system. Revolution takes time and we will see if this is big enough to affect real change. Meanwhile, trying to connect this demonstration of frustration to the market volatility is speculative in real time. History will be the judge.

Unless you're part of the Tea Party movement, then you are labeled with offensive, degrading terms and your protests are called astroturf.

I support their right to protest, but I disagree with their platform. They don't represent me.

 

[Mcqlives]

I have nothing against these protesters except that many don't seem to know exactly why they are there.

I think why many on the right find these protests amusing (if that is the right word) is because of how demonized the Tea Party was (and is) for their protests. These were middle class, tax payers concerned about taxes and over spending. They were called every name in the book, and few names that weren't in the book.

It seems hypocritical how sympathetic the left is now for this event. Pelosi is saying, "God bless these protesters". When it was the Tea Party she wept saying she remembers hearing this kind of violent rhetoric back in the 60's. It's unbelievable to me.

I understand partisanship, but it goes to show that the folks in Washington (both sides) do not care about half of this country.

See Birchtree - I didn't have to offend anyone to make my point. It's easy.

You offended me...you quoted Pelosi on a Friday...my whole weekend is ruined!

 

[malyla]

Unless you're part of the Tea Party movement, then you are labeled with offensive, degrading terms and your protests are called astroturf.

I support their right to protest, but I disagree with their platform. They don't represent me.

We all have blinders on about our individual causes. What did the Tea Party movement in, was the racism, gay bashing, and anti-Semitic rhetoric coupled with the no taxes platform that still required cutting entitlements. That movement was all over the place in it's ideology as well. I agreed with the bailout protest, but when the no taxes/cut entitlements started becoming the lead platform and attacks on healthcare and President Obama became the main sound bites, I left that bitter ideology far behind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_party_protest

What I see with the Occupy Wallstreet movement is a more honest assessment of the problem without the acrimony in the rhetoric. It seems to be following the Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear where the cause was for eliminating acrimonious rhetoric while still getting your point across.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally_to_Restore_Sanity_and/or_Fear

 

[FAB1]

Who said the tea party was done in?? CNN again? What Tom said is the truth. Big media lies. Funny which side they always agree with. Occupy wall street is a good way to distract the mind numbed public from the FAIL coming fromDC. Was I nice enough?

 

[Frixxxx]

Who owns the website is irrelevant. Implying that the protestors are sheep and just following a website is insulting.

I was stating a fact, you decide. I believe that there are exasparated people out there who will cling to any words of hope. Just beware of who you are embracing and who is backing them. Just like saying don't vote for so&so, because the oil companies pay for their campaign. Are you not voting for the oil company or the person?

...Next someone will point out that citizens vote for these politicians and can vote them out, but the system is designed in such a way as to make it impossible to get elected without money and therefore corporate backing. It is a rigged system, corrupt and greedy.

Only because voters refuse to educate themselves outside of MSM. How about we set up town halls and present the platforms without flash, pomp, or circumstance? No attack ads, no hate speech, just plain platforms?

Protest have been a time tested and honorable response for the ordinary citizen in times of social and political inequality. Fix the problems and the protest will go away. Until then, more people will see the cracks in the system. Revolution takes time and we will see if this is big enough to affect real change. Meanwhile, trying to connect this demonstration of frustration to the market volatility is speculative in real time. History will be the judge.

My last statement

Let's have direction with our vision!

Means just that, I will back any protest that states its cause with reasonable solutions. I want change to what is currently going on, but Wall Street is not the place to do it....Stop using the banks, the retailers, the oil companies, or any other business you think is corrupt. I did....Ask Bank of America, I stopped using their credit cards in protest to their fees on its customers. Ask Chevron, I stopped using their gas stations from back when the Valdez oil spill. I protest, but I do it the best way, I don't give them money, which you state correctly is their power.
That's all, not condemning these people, but don't see their strength or direction. And if all I have to go on is the people who fund their platform then I have every right to call out their alignment.

 

[Viva_La_Migra]

We all have blinders on about our individual causes. What did the Tea Party movement in, was the racism, gay bashing, and anti-Semitic rhetoric coupled with the no taxes platform that still required cutting entitlements. That movement was all over the place in it's ideology as well. I agreed with the bailout protest, but when the no taxes/cut entitlements started becoming the lead platform and attacks on healthcare and President Obama became the main sound bites, I left that bitter ideology far behind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_party_protest

What I see with the Occupy Wallstreet movement is a more honest assessment of the problem without the acrimony in the rhetoric. It seems to be following the Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear where the cause was for eliminating acrimonious rhetoric while still getting your point across.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally_to_Restore_Sanity_and/or_Fear

Wikipedia is not a credible source of information. I know there were unfounded allegations of racism during those protests. That doesn't mean that the protestors are racist. I heard more bigotry from the left during the Tea Party protests and you still hear it today.

From what I saw, the people holding the Hitler signs and making racist remarks at Tea Party events were plants from opposition groups. They were people sent out to make the Tea Party protests look bad. I'm sure there are individual Tea Party members that held those views, but the majority of Tea Party people do not hold those views.

 

[malyla]

Wikipedia is not a credible source of information. I know there were unfounded allegations of racism during those protests. That doesn't mean that the protestors are racist. I heard more bigotry from the left during the Tea Party protests and you still hear it today.

From what I saw, the people holding the Hitler signs and making racist remarks at Tea Party events were plants from opposition groups. They were people sent out to make the Tea Party protests look bad. I'm sure there are individual Tea Party members that held those views, but the majority of Tea Party people do not hold those views.

So all the bad press was a conspiracy from outsiders, Wikipedia is in on it, and cheering the death of a coma patient and booing a gay soldier at the GOP debate are patriotic?

Why do you believe Wikipedia is not credible?

Are you saying the racist signs and shouted slogans seen in news clips and spun by the pundits did not happen? Or it's a conspiracy of non-Tea Partiers to spoil the message - where's the proof? Extremism breeds extremism and saying that those bad actors including the news pundits on TV and the radio were outside the movement is disingenuous in the least.

 

[RealMoneyIssues]

Wow, way too much Kool-Aid drinking going on in here... :nuts:

 

[jpcavin]

You offended me...you quoted Pelosi on a Friday...my whole weekend is ruined!

Just count your lucky stars I didn't post her picture.

 

[Mcqlives]

Just count your lucky stars I didn't post her picture.

Her picture!?!?!?! Now that's an idea for a protest sign! Or maybe the police could display it to disperse protesters? Either way I think you are on to something!:nuts:

Have a great weekend everyone!

 

[MrBowl]

Obama (yday, I think) declared in a speech that lots of the actions/people that caused the current financial mess, and which are the target of the occupy wall st crowd, were not illegal, they were immoral and wreckless. My wording would be "risky and foolish".

Roughly half of American households hold stock/bonds/etc of some sort. A protest directed at wall st is a cause for concern for that half. I assume that would be just about everyone here, considering the purpose of this site. Early posts on this topic painted a scary picture of a big tax everytime we made an IFT. Indeed, I would buy once and see where it was when I retire, but would the tax also apply to my contribution every 2 weeks?!?!?

Dig a little and find out who is funding this movement. Frixxx hit on it. It is anti-capitalist/anti-American fat cats like Soros. Soros, by the way, earned his BILLIONS through currency trading - lots of people lost money as he made his. These protesters are nothing more than naive puppets. They don't understand what a corporation is or how all things financial work. Most are career students, like most protesters have been for 45 years. Some of them are even paid to be there - its not just that someone bought them a bottle of water. Someone referred to them as fools, chumps, and useful idiots doing the work of a few agenda'd ultra-wealthy elitists. And the ironic thing is that even a left-leaning idealist like Obama is not immune to their criticism.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/dail...y-dc-organizer-admiting-to-paying-protestors/

For the people who have contributed to our economy and are unfortunately out of work and joining in on the protests - I feel for them and hope they find meaningful work soon, but I promise that there are much better ways to spend their time.

All I'm saying is that people need to dig a little before they join a cause or movement, or else they will find strings on their backs, too.

 

[Viva_La_Migra]

So all the bad press was a conspiracy from outsiders, Wikipedia is in on it, and cheering the death of a coma patient and booing a gay soldier at the GOP debate are patriotic? I didn't say that. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Why do you believe Wikipedia is not credible? Link to one reason. I can't find the story, but I know at least one federal court has told my Agency not to use Wikipedia as a source.

Are you saying the racist signs and shouted slogans seen in news clips and spun by the pundits did not happen? Depends on the ones you are talking about. I haven't seen every clip that's been reported by the news. Or it's a conspiracy of non-Tea Partiers to spoil the message - where's the proof? I'm not on trial here. What proof do you have that those photos aren't staged to make the Tea Party look bad? Extremism breeds extremism and saying that those bad actors including the news pundits on TV and the radio were outside the movement is disingenuous in the least. There are bad actors on both sides of the aisle. Both sides use spin to their benefit.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree and step away from this discussion, or someone will get their feelings hurt. That's not a threat, just a statement based on experience. If you're the type that must have the last word, then go ahead. I will do my best not to respond.

 

[clester]

Obama (yday, I think) declared in a speech that lots of the actions/people that caused the current financial mess, and which are the target of the occupy wall st crowd, were not illegal, they were immoral and wreckless. My wording would be "risky and foolish".

Roughly half of American households hold stock/bonds/etc of some sort. A protest directed at wall st is a cause for concern for that half. I assume that would be just about everyone here, considering the purpose of this site. Early posts on this topic painted a scary picture of a big tax everytime we made an IFT. Indeed, I would buy once and see where it was when I retire, but would the tax also apply to my contribution every 2 weeks?!?!?

Dig a little and find out who is funding this movement. Frixxx hit on it. It is anti-capitalist/anti-American fat cats like Soros. Soros, by the way, earned his BILLIONS through currency trading - lots of people lost money as he made his. These protesters are nothing more than naive puppets. They don't understand what a corporation is or how all things financial work. Most are career students, like most protesters have been for 45 years. Some of them are even paid to be there - its not just that someone bought them a bottle of water. Someone referred to them as fools, chumps, and useful idiots doing the work of a few agenda'd ultra-wealthy elitists. And the ironic thing is that even a left-leaning idealist like Obama is not immune to their criticism.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/dail...y-dc-organizer-admiting-to-paying-protestors/

For the people who have contributed to our economy and are unfortunately out of work and joining in on the protests - I feel for them and hope they find meaningful work soon, but I promise that there are much better ways to spend their time.

All I'm saying is that people need to dig a little before they join a cause or movement, or else they will find strings on their backs, too.

There are too many folks that want to find some way to cut these folks down. Why! Because the truth scares them. It's easy to just write them off like this comment does. You can always find some way to cut the other side down. Like the left does the tea party. I am so tired of this kind of rhetoric. Please, think for yourselves. Forget your political party. Consider what it would be like if you were in their shoes. I mean really think about it.

These people have a legitimate argument. Wall street and Washington need to hear from these people. They need to feel their frustration and pain.

 

[FAB1]

Are you saying the racist signs and shouted slogans seen in news clips and spun by the pundits did not happen? Or it's a conspiracy of non-Tea Partiers to spoil the message - where's the proof?

Its people like those protesters, your side, that have no qualms planting themselves in a Tea party rally to disrupt and misrepresent it. You want me then to believe the Media is not then going to "report" it for what it really was - a deliberate plant to make the Tea party look bad. The proof is on the internet if you bothered to search it out but you have admitted right here your news sources and they are biased. You cant have proof of the real truth if its deliberately hidden by the main stream media and not reported.

If your idea of Proof and truth is Wikipedia, and the Cable TV news we can really have no basis for debate. That is all Lies and spin. I told you all look at the slogans and the message of the "Occupy" bunch, is it not hard to find the information but its not on CNN or MSNCB or SeeBS. What are you really watching on TV? Its is Bill effing Ayers and the Weathermen all over again. Are you knowledgeable about Mr. Ayers "vision" for the United States? These people are organized via electronic communications and there are leaders (besides Fatso) Only you can open your eyes but I really dont think you want to see the truth about this.

 

[clester]

Its people like those protesters, your side, that have no qualms planting themselves in a Tea party rally to disrupt and misrepresent it. You want me then to believe the Media is not then going to "report" it for what it really was - a deliberate plant to make the Tea party look bad. The proof is on the internet if you bothered to search it out but you have admitted right here your news sources and they are biased. You cant have proof of the real truth if its deliberately hidden by the main stream media and not reported.

If your idea of Proof and truth is Wikipedia, and the Cable TV news we can really have no basis for debate. That is all Lies and spin. I told you all look at the slogans and the message of the "Occupy" bunch, is it not hard to find the information but its not on CNN or MSNCB or SeeBS. What are you really watching on TV? Its is Bill effing Ayers and the Weathermen all over again. Are you knowledgeable about Mr. Ayers "vision" for the United States? These people are organized via electronic communications and there are leaders (besides Fatso) Only you can open your eyes but I really dont think you want to see the truth about this.

Conspiracy theories? Really? Let me guess. Glenn Beck?

 

[clester]

People. I say again. Think for yourselves. Don't get brainwashed by either side.

 

[FAB1]

Conspiracy theories? Really? Let me guess. Glenn Beck?

I dont watch the man. Who do you watch? You sound like someone who gets their information from CNN and Wikipedia. I thought you were tired of the rhetoric? If you support that rabble your sadly deceived. What I said is the truth - Im not giving you any URLs, go find the information yourself if you really want to. I think you know Im telling the truth. Sure there are some people down there that just tag alongs. Dont be a dumb bunny how the eff do you think "Occupy" started anyway?? I pity the foo!

 

[FAB1]

People dont listen to the "news" about this Occupy protest. The core group involved in this are hard left activists. Their beliefs are nothing like yours and mine. I mentioned the Weathermen, if you arent familar with that, do some research. No one has denied what I said about their agenda and the slogans they are employing and what they represent. Attacking me with "you listen to Glenn Beck, blah blah" is fine, although I dont listen or watch him (so wrong again). Seek out the photographic evidence they arent showing you on SeeBS , etc. Check out some Utubes of what they are saying.

I know Im preaching to crowd to most of you, the rest just wont admit the truth. Oh well I cant waste all night here. ciao!