IRA vs TSP

azanon

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A thing to consider if you're deciding between putting money in TSP vs IRA; My suggestion is to put your first 5% in TSP to get the match, but after that, use your and your spouse's IRA (if applicable)after that before finishing to your max TSP contribution.

The reason is that when you retire, you have to annutize your TSP in order to be eligible to continue your health plan. Generally speaking, annuties are a bad deal because they are figured based on very conservative earnings rates, and your heirs could lose near everything if you were to die soon after you retired. However, health insurance isa major thing to consider whether you can retire or not since its so expensive, so it would probably be appealing to be able to continue this coverage.

Its possible that the annuity is such a bad deal, that it'd be better to get independent health coverage, and take your lump sum TSP anyway, despite these plans being very expensive. Of course, once you hit 65, medicare will kick in and you'll only need a smaller policy to cover over and above that.

Naturally, if you can afford to do both, then do both. I cant afford it yet, so.....
 
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Well, it's posts like this that make me glad I participate here. What an eye opener, Azanon, this is good information. I like your logic about putting only the first 5 in the TSP.
 
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:( Whoa, you're mixing apples with oranges.

It's true that you have to take an annuity in order to participate in the FEHB benefit program, but that annuity is from your retirement benefits, not your TSP.

Your TSP is your "own" account, and you can either draw it all out, roll it over into an IRA, or take an annuity when you retire. But your TSP is not tied to your health benefits.
 
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Brewnet is correct. You do NOT need to take an annuity from your TSP account to continue health insurance into retirement. You need to be enrolled in FEHB for the last 5 years of your employ and that is the only requirement.
 
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Sorry. I guess I got thrown off by a couple things; first being the term annuity. I thought you "annutize" a large sum of money, so that you get a series of fixed payments over time. Within the federal system, the only "annuity" i was aware that we have was, potentially,the TSP annuity. Apparently, they also call the basic benefit plan an annuity as well, even though there is no sum of money behind it.

The other thing that confused me is that they actually list that you must take the annuity to be eligible to continue FEHB. Is there any other option with respect to the basic benefit plan? meaning, who wouldnt take the annuity that's based off your high-3? Seems like that's a given, and thus shouldnt be listed as a requirement.
 
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Unfortunately there is no short answer here. It gets quite complicated because the rules are different for CSRS and FERS. There are different types of retirement annuities and different levels within.

Most retirees do take an annuity because they want tocarry their health insurance into retirement, and to be able to pass that benefit on to their survivors in case of their demise. The premise may be that you should have enough of a retirement annuity to have the payment of FEHB automatically taken care of. You can take a reduced annuity, but again, no short answer.

If you want to do some in-depth reading, go to www.opm.gov/retirement
 
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Does anyone know how much you pay after retiring? I know now the federal government pays about 3/4ths of it while working. I pay 88.99/2 weeks, and the federal government portion is like 240/2 weeks. Do you have to pay all of it after you retire?
 
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Just answered my own question:

Will my premiums increase once I retire?


A. No, you will pay the same premium as you paid while you were an employee.

WOW! That's huge. OMG, i'm so done when i reach my retirement age of 58. 30% annutiy + SS suppliment (estimated about 15% of my salary) + not having to save for retirement (10-15%), means I only need 40-45% from my TSP/IRAs, and that's assuming my expenses dont drop.
 
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there's a cola in the annuity, right? doesnt SS also have a cola component? as for my saved funds, i'll keep a 40-60% stock position to keep up with inflation.
 
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ok so there ya go. 58-62 wont be enough time for there to be any significant COL increases. its the exponential effect of 20-30 years one would have to worry about if there were no COLA adjustments.
 
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I have an IRA question. I'm taking over my girlfriends retirement funds, she actually trusts me? :P Anyway, she has 4 different IRA's and I'm going to consolidate them into 2. One from her current place of employment and one into a Scottrade IRA account. Can Scottrade furnish me with the appropriate roll-over forms or do I contact the company's that the IRA's are actuallly with?

Thanks for the help!
 
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Azanon,

Max out the TSP first. The reason is the money you lowers your taxable income now. Immediate return. The TSPs funds have a great expense ratio and a pretty goodmenu of funds to choice from. Next build a emergency fund in a tax free account. Then fund a ROTH IRA if you have money left over. The Roth will be high dividend funds such as REITs, High Yield Corporate, Convertible bonds, etc. The reason for this is if you want to retire prior to 59.9 you need to have cash to tap into before you can get your money on the TSP or ROTHs. I would say have 25% in a tax free money market account and the other 75% in a tax free high yield fund. But right now fund the tax free account and wait for NAVs to fall. If you put all your money into the TSP and IRAS you will have to work to at least 59.5 because you will have nothing built up to live on. Also if Greenspan gets his way retirement age will go up...probably driving the 59.5 age to 62.5 or 65.5. I really want to retire at age 52 or 55 and if I do not have a nice fund built up for that then I will be tied to the TSP/IRA accounts. My tax free money account has averaged 4% yield over the last 10 years and my high yield tax free as averaged 7.2%. This does not sound like much but this is a real 5.71 and 10.23 tax free return of my money on the divs and the high yield tax free has average 5% NAV growth on top of the 7.2% yield. Over the last 6 years if you were in stocks you would of lost money plus have to had to paid taxes on the divs. I am getting great dividends and have been using the dividend to put into my ROTH account. I have that money working for me...tax free.

Good hunting!

MT
 
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I like the idea of maxing the Roth IRA each and every year and reducing the TSP contribution if you have to. Remember, you can draw out your Roth contributions at any time. Also, I believe tax rates have nowhere to go but up and so, having a tax free income stream 20 years from now should be a good thing. :D Of course, if you truly believe you will be in a lower tax bracket when you retire, max the TSP.
 
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Pete1 wrote:
I like the idea of maxing the Roth IRA each and every year and reducing the TSP contribution if you have to. Remember, you can draw out your Roth contributions at any time. Also, I believe tax rates have nowhere to go but up and so, having a tax free income stream 20 years from now should be a good thing. :D Of course, if you truly believe you will be in a lower tax bracket when you retire, max the TSP.
Yes, most people don't realize that you can withdraw your contributions(NOT earnings) at anytimewithout the early withdrawal penalty fee.
 
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Rod,

The money must be held at least five years before you can yank it out. My goal with the ROTH is to try to have the dividends and capital gains to augment my tax free income stream after age 59.5. If you have the temptation to touch the ROTH money that will evaporate fairly quickly. The tax free accounts are a good place to build your early retirement plan and in the mean time an emergency fund.

MT
 
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MarketTimer wrote:
Rod,

The money must be held at least five years before you can yank it out.
Sorry... I knew that, it just slipped my mind.:D
 
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I know about the slipping of the mind. I work in a space that is like 65 degrees and had to move computer gear from outside (90 degrees) Wednesday and Thursday last week and nowI am sick as a dog. Hot and sweaty to cold in chilly back and forth for two days really sunk my boat. I have made some really stupid move in my TSP but I am still up from 13 Aug. I am hoping this F fund move will pay off a little. I big move in the F fund is .02s but I will take it at this point.

MT
 
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I believe Roth contributions can be withdrawn penalty free the day after deposit if need be. Hence, I maintain a smaller emergency fund (roughly2 months of current expenditures). I try to carryover 240 hours of annual leave and of course, do not abuse sick leave (my sick leave goal is to accumulate6months). I have a single credit card (10K limit @ 6.75%) which I pay off monthly.
 
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