How to buy American made tires

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How do you make sure you are buying American made tires, and keeping Americans employed?

Need tires? Buy one of these union-made AMERICAN LABOR PRODUCED brands.

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The US Department of Transportation requires that all tires sold in the United States carry a code which shows, among other things, the company and plant that made the tire. The code looks like this:


DOT AC L9 ABC 036

The first two symbols (numbers or letters) which follow DOT indicate the company and plant where a tire was manufactured. The code above describes a tire made by General Tire in Charlotte, NC.

Below is a list of US unionized tire plants and their DOT codes. By comparing this list to the code on the tire you are buying you can be certain you are getting a USWA-made, American made tire. In addition to company brands, there are Associate Brand and Private Brand tires manufactured in USWA-represented plants. For example, Goodyear tires, and Arizona brand tires, are both made in the same plant by U.S. workers.

The surest indication of American made union-made tires is to check the DOT code.
 
Current as of fall 2007. I don't know how many of those plants have since closed.


We're getting a ton of tires made in China now imported into the US.
Here are just some foreign tires out there:

Made in China:

Kumo
Goodride (Yes, there is a brand called Goodride!)
Westlake
Vesta
Chaoyang
Triangle brand
Cindy Tyre
Yellow Sea
Black Belt
Joykin
Pegasus
 
Interesting. Looking around at the GSA lease vehicles and the DOE owned heavy equipment I see a lot of Hankook tires. And these vehicles ain't Hyundais.

I am thinking about getting tires as I am going on a road trip and the ones on the truck will be about worn out when I get back. Since I can afford it, why not start my trip with new tires?

I digress. The Goodyears on the truck are made in Quebec. Bummer, I live 1.5 miles outside of Goodyear. Not that they even have a presence here anymore. Even the one replacement I bought a couple years ago at the all american store, AAFES;). I can't decide how much time I really want to spend on making sure my tires are made in the USA by union members.

Let me have your thoughts, inputs and whatever else you got.

I am a paying union member so don't go that way.

Pess
 
China calls for WTO talks on US tire tariffs

Beijing calls for talks with Washington in World Trade Organization over tire tariffs

  • By Joe Mcdonald, AP Business Writer
  • On Monday September 14, 2009, 7:24 am EDT
BEIJING (AP) -- China accused Washington on Monday of violating World Trade Organization rules by raising tariffs on Chinese tires and demanded talks in the WTO on the latest and most acrimonious in a string of trade disputes.

"The American side's imposition of protective measures on Chinese tires violates WTO regulations," Commerce Ministry spokesman Yao Jian said in a statement. Yao said Beijing was exercising its rights as a WTO member to demand talks to settle the dispute.

President Barack Obama approved the tariffs Friday to slow the rapid growth of U.S. imports of Chinese-made tires that have been blamed for the loss of thousands of American jobs. That drew an accusation of trade protectionism from Beijing.

Yao's statement called on other governments to oppose protectionism.

The White House said Obama acted under a provision in the U.S.-Chinese agreement on Beijing's WTO membership that allows Washington to slow the rise of Chinese imports to allow American industry to adjust.
Obama's order Friday raised tariffs for three years on Chinese tires -- by 35 percent in the first year, 30 percent in the second and 25 percent in the third.

The United Steelworkers brought the case in April and said more than 5,000 tire workers have lost jobs since 2004 as Chinese tires flooded the U.S. market.

China's government said Sunday it is launching antidumping investigations into imported U.S. auto and chicken products.

The Commerce Ministry said it would look into complaints that American auto and chicken products are being dumped into the Chinese market or are benefiting from subsidies.


Source: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/China...87.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=
 
Coolhand-

You posted earlier today about what Stratfor was saying about the tire deal. It's a lot more complicated than what you had posted.

The main thing this is about is not trying to get or keep Union people supporting health care. The main thing this is about is exercising existing law and trade agreements that were crucial when the last administration extended "normal trading status" with China.

China is the big, big problem. In the 1990's, China wanted "Most Favored Nation Status" for years and years. When we finally signed a trade agreement with them, and gave them such status, it was contingent on them doing a number of things- which so far they have not done, and it has devastated American industry as a result.

They had agreed to language in that agreement, that in the event any industry was adversely affected, and it was because of something the Chinese Government had done (or failed to do), that there was a provision that the U. S. could impose a number of different remedies in order to slow down the destruction of U.S. industry. One of those agreement protocols was that the U.S. could impose duties (tariffs) if a case could be proved, but only for a short time, to give the U.S. industry time to adjust to the changes in China trade.

Many, many workers were displaced in the Bush II years, and many tried to have the Government invoke those provisions. But Bush II refused to enforce the law and treaty as written. The biggest problem was the value of the Yuan/Dollar exchange rate. Rather than float on the open market, which is does all over the rest of the world- the Communist Chinese fix the dollars/Yaun rate at a fixed price. Most observers say it undervalues the Yaun by at least 50% or more. If there were free markets, the free markets would correct the imbalance. But China is pushing growth so fast, and refusing to let the Yuan.

Tires is just one industry devastated by China trade. But it has a clear and convincing evidence to show that China's government owned production plants, and undervalued Yuan, has destroyed American industry without enough time to let free markets correct the problem.

Here is the dollar/Yuan exchange rate chart, from MSN. FIrst, you'll see years and years of fixed rates. After Bush II received a lot of pressure (remember the economic slowdown following Sept 11th), Bush II refused to invoke the law, but he did make some waves with China about freeing up the currency. He was promised a free-floating currency. However, what the Chinese Government did was only allow it to move a tiny fraction of an amount each month, so slow that American still could not see any benefit from the movement- but enough of movement to prevent the WTO from acting.

Here is the chart:
View attachment 6810
As you can see, the Yuan rate was pegged for years. When they finally allowed it to move, it moved VERY slowly.

Union workers were among those who elected Obama, on Obama's promise to finally enforce the trade laws already in existance. The United Steel workers filed a substantial case last spring, and, for the first time, our President has acted in accordance with our treaty.

Point #1 on the chart shows where China finally agreed to allow some movement in the Yuan.

But as you can see, at Point #2- they STOPPED devaluing it, even though it continues by free-market standards to be WAY undervalued- still considered by most to be 40% undervalued now.

The point of the tire tarrifs imposed this week, is to give time to the U.S. industry to renegotiate contracts with U.S. workers at lower rates, to keep them competitive with Chinese tires. And also to give time to the Yuan to be devalued some more, to get it more in line with where it is supposed to be.

A trade-off to get support for health care? No, not really. More like making sure that American industry can compete on a level playing field, and making sure that China knows we are serious this time. Much more direct than previously, AND fully within the existing trade agreement. The WTO won't blink twice at this, as it is in writing, and part of the agreement. No unfair trade practice in imposing the tariffs.


If we don't get U.S. / China trade in balance soon, and we don't get a handle on the trade deficit with Oil imports, we're going to be in even more of a world of hurt than we already are:
View attachment 6809

Is the move to put temporary tariffs on Tires within existing agreements and treaties? Yes.

Will it solve all the problems? No.

But it does show that we are serious now about fair trade policies, and the chinese need to adjust, let their Yuan begin to float again, hopefully this time faster, and try and equalize things, before all of our industry is destroyed, and there is nothing left here.

THAT's what this is about.

Not health care support form Unions. Obama already has that.

This is about no less than trying to ensure fair trading practices, and allowing U.S. industry some time to adjust to the massive growth in imported Chinese tires.





 
Coolhand-

You posted earlier today about what Stratfor was saying about the tire deal. It's a lot more complicated than what you had posted.

The main thing this is about is not trying to get or keep Union people supporting health care. The main thing this is about is exercising existing law and trade agreements that were crucial when the last administration extended "normal trading status" with China.

China is the big, big problem. In the 1990's, China wanted "Most Favored Nation Status" for years and years. When we finally signed a trade agreement with them, and gave them such status, it was contingent on them doing a number of things- which so far they have not done, and it has devastated American industry as a result.

They had agreed to language in that agreement, that in the event any industry was adversely affected, and it was because of something the Chinese Government had done (or failed to do), that there was a provision that the U. S. could impose a number of different remedies in order to slow down the destruction of U.S. industry. One of those agreement protocols was that the U.S. could impose duties (tariffs) if a case could be proved, but only for a short time, to give the U.S. industry time to adjust to the changes in China trade.

Many, many workers were displaced in the Bush II years, and many tried to have the Government invoke those provisions. But Bush II refused to enforce the law and treaty as written. The biggest problem was the value of the Yuan/Dollar exchange rate. Rather than float on the open market, which is does all over the rest of the world- the Communist Chinese fix the dollars/Yaun rate at a fixed price. Most observers say it undervalues the Yaun by at least 50% or more. If there were free markets, the free markets would correct the imbalance. But China is pushing growth so fast, and refusing to let the Yuan.

Tires is just one industry devastated by China trade. But it has a clear and convincing evidence to show that China's government owned production plants, and undervalued Yuan, has destroyed American industry without enough time to let free markets correct the problem.

Here is the dollar/Yuan exchange rate chart, from MSN. FIrst, you'll see years and years of fixed rates. After Bush II received a lot of pressure (remember the economic slowdown following Sept 11th), Bush II refused to invoke the law, but he did make some waves with China about freeing up the currency. He was promised a free-floating currency. However, what the Chinese Government did was only allow it to move a tiny fraction of an amount each month, so slow that American still could not see any benefit from the movement- but enough of movement to prevent the WTO from acting.

Here is the chart:
View attachment 6810
As you can see, the Yuan rate was pegged for years. When they finally allowed it to move, it moved VERY slowly.

Union workers were among those who elected Obama, on Obama's promise to finally enforce the trade laws already in existance. The United Steel workers filed a substantial case last spring, and, for the first time, our President has acted in accordance with our treaty.

Point #1 on the chart shows where China finally agreed to allow some movement in the Yuan.

But as you can see, at Point #2- they STOPPED devaluing it, even though it continues by free-market standards to be WAY undervalued- still considered by most to be 40% undervalued now.

The point of the tire tarrifs imposed this week, is to give time to the U.S. industry to renegotiate contracts with U.S. workers at lower rates, to keep them competitive with Chinese tires. And also to give time to the Yuan to be devalued some more, to get it more in line with where it is supposed to be.

A trade-off to get support for health care? No, not really. More like making sure that American industry can compete on a level playing field, and making sure that China knows we are serious this time. Much more direct than previously, AND fully within the existing trade agreement. The WTO won't blink twice at this, as it is in writing, and part of the agreement. No unfair trade practice in imposing the tariffs.


If we don't get U.S. / China trade in balance soon, and we don't get a handle on the trade deficit with Oil imports, we're going to be in even more of a world of hurt than we already are:
View attachment 6809

Is the move to put temporary tariffs on Tires within existing agreements and treaties? Yes.

Will it solve all the problems? No.

But it does show that we are serious now about fair trade policies, and the chinese need to adjust, let their Yuan begin to float again, hopefully this time faster, and try and equalize things, before all of our industry is destroyed, and there is nothing left here.

THAT's what this is about.

Not health care support form Unions. Obama already has that.

This is about no less than trying to ensure fair trading practices, and allowing U.S. industry some time to adjust to the massive growth in imported Chinese tires.






As I'd mentioned before, I only posted a small excerpt. Some of what you mention was also part of their analysis. I won't argue the points, it's multi-faceted. But your point(s) don't necessarily negate Stratfor's point about health care. These decisions usually serve multiple purposes.

If I have time tomorrow, I'll expound.
 
While all this has been going on- China fixing the price of the Yuan instead of letting it float- China has moved from providing 5% of America's tires, to over 17%, just in five years. And in 2009, the numbers continue to jump, even though American tires are priced competitively, China is dumping tires from their state owned industries into our country, even in the midst of our recession:

View attachment 6814

This unfair trade- government tire factory dumping tires into the American market, while at the same time refusing to let the Yuan float free, is destroying what is left of the American tire industry:

View attachment 6815

THAT is what the tire tariffs are all about- trying to gain some time for American industry to adjust to what is seen as unfair trade and unfair competition.


 
I fully agree.


By the way- here is the statement of the company President in Union, New Jersey (Foreign Tires is the company name.) after the tariffs were announced:
-----------------------------------------

" FTS was and is firmly opposed to the clearly protectionist, union driven trade penalty imposed by President Obama. FTS was extremely active in opposing the petition and ultimate relief. FTS conducted a letter writing campaign and was an active member of the American Coalition for Free Trade in Tires. This group was comprised of several tire importers/distributors.

FTS is committed to supporting the Chinese factories that we purchase from.

We hope that our customers will continue to support those factories and FTS during these turbulent times.

FTS’ commitment to providing high quality, safe tires at reasonable prices continues unabated. FTS will continue to offer its customers and potential customers the highest quality customer service in the industry and we thank you for your previous and continued support.

Richard Kuskin and the entire FTS staff "


It's sad to read that Mr. Kuskin, of New Jersey, is so comitteed to supporting Chinese factories, and hopes his customers will be just as committed to supporting Chinese factories during "these turbulent times".



P.S.- For irony: The company "Foreign Tires", is based in...now get this..... UNION, New Jersey. :( )
 
As we can easily see, this issue is like an onion. I can't say how on-target this piece is, but I do know that the guy who wrote it has a dog in this fight. That calls for a little scrutiny.

Yep, that's why I identified it as an opinion piece, rather than calling it a news story.

But it is sad.

thousands of more jobs disappearing here.

That "giant sucking sound" continues.
 
Yep, that's why I identified it as an opinion piece, rather than calling it a news story.

But it is sad.

thousands of more jobs disappearing here.

That "giant sucking sound" continues.

James, this is a global ecomony brought about largely through technological breakthroughs (internet, computers, etc.) Buying American is not as obvious a remedy as it may seem. Have you ever read "The World is Flat"?
 
this is a global ecomony brought about largely through technological breakthroughs

That is WHY I keep Technology before everything else. By knowing the break throughs and all the more what is 'comming out' you can't possibly go wrong.

Buying American is not as obvious a remedy as it may seem.

That is Primarily Based on 'Cheap Labor' and substantially less BS for the 'American Companies' do deal with by arrangeing to have their products assembled outside 'our borders'.

What you may think of as 'American' ... such as long standing S&P Companies ~~ may now have moved to Ireland (or wherever)

Please don't let this post interrupt your dialog - just look at it as a brief commerial
 
That is Primarily Based on 'Cheap Labor' and substantially less BS for the 'American Companies' do deal with by arrangeing to have their products assembled outside 'our borders'.

What you may think of as 'American' ... such as long standing S&P Companies ~~ may now have moved to Ireland (or wherever)

Please don't let this post interrupt your dialog - just look at it as a brief commerial

Steady, this is an infinitely more complicated issue than that and cannot easily be discussed on a simple MB. Read "The World is Flat". You will be amazed at how much deeper this subject actually is.
 
Ow..hot potato alert.
Here are my random 2 pennies, whether they are copper or zinc, your choice.

Yes, the U.S. remains a center of innovation.

Therefore, intellectual property IS our number one commodity. That's why there is resistance here on giving away any technologies to anyone else. Plus, it's our companies that take the risks.

The R&D funding void: Pre-competitive R and D there is funding available. After you get your production going, and have some dependable output, you can get funding from investors. Getting production started to a reliable production line...VERY difficult to fund or do in the U.S.

Building a plant in the U.S. is highly regulated. There are some good reasons for this (no dumping your waste out the back anymore) and some NIMBY reasons. A lot of places actually don't want an industrial plant anywhere near them. Most other countries offer incentives to build in their country. We on the whole don't. Our incentives are purely on a local level, when they exist at all. Closest thing we have is SBA loans on the federal level.

Cost per worker: We have one of the highest in the world. Although I'm only glancing at working with preliminary data for 2007 that hasn't be consolidated yet, it appears health related costs (probably includes Medicare but have not found clarification on Census web site yet) are around an average 10 percent of a total cost of an employee. Unfortunately the survey doesn't split this cost for small and medium vs large companies, and it's known the smaller the company, the more likely there not to be health insurance. Considering not all companies offer insurance and there are varying amounts of company payment to health insurance companies, these costs probably vary widely depending on what company you are talking about. The Federal government contributes around 73 percent toward the cost of health insurance per employee - I have a feeling this is NOT the norm but have no data either way on private companies. Regardless I think usually the company has to contribute at least something toward the insurance premiums if they want to offer health insurance.

Cost per worker II: We also tax based on income and part of this is paid by employers. Most other industrialized countries may have a small tax on employees but most of their taxes are consumption taxes, not earnings/gains taxes - I have always found it wierd we tax people for working and employers for employing people but that's me ok? :rolleyes:

Clean hands vs Dirty hands: Have to say this. Working with your hands is NOT respected in the U.S., and certified training as an alternative to college on the whole is NOT available here on a large scale. This means OTJ training for manufacturing - and fear that your worker is going to jump after training to ...somoene else.

So those are my musings, take them as you like...
 
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... Considering not all companies offer insurance and there are varying amounts of company payment to health insurance companies, these costs probably vary widely depending on what company you are talking about. The Federal government contributes around 73 percent toward the cost of health insurance per employee - I have a feeling this is NOT the norm but have no data either way on private companies.

...

Employee share of Health Care premiums- private sector:

 
Cost per worker II: We also tax based on income and part of this is paid by employers. Most other industrialized countries may have a small tax on employees but most of their taxes are consumption taxes, not earnings/gains taxes - I have always found it wierd we tax people for working and employers for employing people but that's me ok? :rolleyes:

Not to dismiss everything else you said... but I've always looked at this and wondered the same thing from an end result perspective. Aren't we just taxing the employed? ...guess I'm weird, too. ---makes one want to go and look at the FairTax stuff again, no?

This has nothing to do with tires ... so... I buy Michelin and nothing else end of the discussion for me (Hope this meets with James' approval).
 
Income taxes worked fine during the Industrial Revolution and when employers were primarily guild-based. Doesn't work anywhere as well now, with mobile work forces and worldwide logistics and transportation. You can't equate a company's ability to make money with how many workers they employ in country and how much those workers make in country anymore.

However, changing the whole U.S. tax system....not going to happen.
 
Clean hands vs Dirty hands: Have to say this. Working with your hands is NOT respected in the U.S., and certified training as an alternative to college on the whole is NOT available here on a large scale. This means OTJ training for manufacturing - and fear that your worker is going to jump after training to ...somoene else.

As an anecdotal following up to Silverbird's comments, one of our local barge companies that ship on the inland waterway system and also repairs barges, have stated in several articles that they could hire 200 welders right now, for repair/maintenance/construction, if qualified welders were available and he echoed your thoughts also, Americans don't want to get their hands dirty and these jobs are good paying jobs.

The economy has reduced the need for new barges, but the barging industry is increasing their maintenance to get additional life from their existing fleets and qualified welders are in great demand and get top dollar.

I always enjoy your insights on the economy.

CB
 
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