Global Warming Link to Drowned Polar Bears BUSTED!!

Glaciers/sunspots/atmospheric vapor/sea ice/atmospheric temperature flux/polar bear habitat/trace gas contamination/observed seasonal burial of some airplanes at one location...which proxy are we working on here?

Glaciers come in a variety of shapes and sizes, they also exist in a variety of locations....and therefore respond in myriad different ways. Every glacier receives a different amount of snowfall/precip and solar radiation and goes through many potential melt/freeze cycles per year depending on the local conditions (which is why layer data is usually sourced from polar regions which have fewer cylces).

Also core stratigraphy (mud/ice/radio carbon rock etc.) is calibrated through the use of known paleo (happened long ago) planetary events (i.e. eruptions and associated dust) that are evidenced in multiple proxies at multiple global locations. That said, one could draw any conclusion they wanted to be observing random events and melt cycles on any random glacier. It's the patterns observed across multiple different glaciers in different locations from which many conclusion are drawn/predicted. This is how one achieves statistical relevance that is an integral aspect of the peer review process.

Greenland and the Antarctic Ice Sheets are the largest freshwater stores. All the "small glaciers and ice caps" don't even come close to storing the massive quantity of ice/water that these large ice sheets and their associated outlet glaciers store. Thinning of the Greenland Ice Sheet is unprecedented.
 
Some Shasta glaciers have long been a known anomaly (but the tide is turning) and there is a small glacier forming the north aspect (shaded from the sun) of the south crater rim at St. Helens, post eruption, the Himalayan typo is a known, admitted and subsequently corrected error etc, etc, etc,. Detractors know about these anomalies because they are openly discussed in the scientific body of literature. Then the blogosphere exploitation begins.

Uh huh, the infamous needle in a haystack argument. There are very few absolutes in the world and you will always find exceptions to the rule. Haggle over the small intricacies while ignoring the larger conclusion. Exploit community admitted errors as falsehoods. Read and believe what you want.
 
Some Shasta glaciers have long been a known anomaly (but the tide is turning) and there is a small glacier forming the north aspect (shaded from the sun) of the south crater rim at St. Helens, post eruption, the Himalayan typo is a known, admitted and subsequently corrected error etc, etc, etc,. Detractors know about these anomalies because they are openly discussed in the scientific body of literature. Then the blogosphere exploitation begins.

Uh huh, the infamous needle in a haystack argument. There are very few absolutes in the world and you will always find exceptions to the rule. Haggle over the small intricacies while ignoring the larger conclusion. Exploit community admitted errors as falsehoods. Read and believe what you want.
Global warming is real. It's been happening since the last ice age!
 
Tuesday, November 15th 2011, 7:49 AM EST Co2sceptic (Site Admin)

Arctic was nearly ice-free in the first Holocene Warm Period

Perhaps the silliest thing about the modern global warming debate is that we’re trying to evaluate major climate changes in eye-blinks of time such as 10 or 30 years. The big Ice Age cycle lasts about 90,000 years, the last one ended about 12,000 years ago. El Ninos last a year of two and change nothing, climate-wise. The Weather Channel can (sort of) predict ten days out.

Yet the UN panel’s claims of man-made warming are based on an “unprecedented warming” that was only 22 years long, 1976–1998. There’s been no trace of a warming trend since. There was, however, an earlier “unprecedented warming” from 1915–1940—before the Industrial Revolution started seriously raising the C02 levels.
http://climaterealists.com/index.php
 
What does this have to do with the market, again?

I believe this place is called the "Lounge"...nuff said.




back to topic....CO2 is a byproduct of solar energy...it's called natural, hence, it is green....So Hug that!
 
We are still trying to discuss subjects like this without the WARS that have happened in the past.
 
Tuesday, November 15th 2011, 7:49 AM EST Co2sceptic (Site Admin)

Arctic was nearly ice-free in the first Holocene Warm Period
Perhaps the silliest thing about the modern global warming debate is that we’re trying to evaluate major climate changes in eye-blinks of time such as 10 or 30 years. The big Ice Age cycle lasts about 90,000 years, the last one ended about 12,000 years ago. El Ninos last a year of two and change nothing, climate-wise. The Weather Channel can (sort of) predict ten days out.

Certainly wouldn't be the first time. See the linked pubs in the first link I posted about the relative level of CO2. And if you believe in technical analysis for markets I don't know why you'd have an issue with atmospheric models that can predict the weather quite accurately for 1-3 days and reasonably for as much as 10. Please note that weathermen do not perform the prediction...they interpret and communicate the results w/ the insight of well known local anomalies.

Yet the UN panel’s claims of man-made warming are based on an “unprecedented warming” that was only 22 years long, 1976–1998. There’s been no trace of a warming trend since. There was, however, an earlier “unprecedented warming” from 1915–1940—before the Industrial Revolution started seriously raising the C02 levels.

http://climaterealists.com/index.php

Count me a skeptic of this. We have had a number of the "hottest years on record" since 1998. I don't know where they get this 76-98 number...my guess is research used was published about 2000. Also, in who's book does the Industrial Revolution not begin until 1940 :confused:

Just like markets, there are small amplitude patterns embedded w/in large amplitude patterns. Climate is, by it's nature, cyclical...the question is whether or not there is a current
trend and is our society prepared to deal with the myriad repercussions of the trend...including wetter cooler temps in some places.

I'm not an alarmist...I just believe in being informed and prepared.

NOAA: 2010 Tied For Warmest Year on Record

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2011/20110112_globalstats.html

 
Think the resurrection!
Just so much conflicting information that some folks can't see the forest for the trees. After a few years researching this thing I've come to the opinion that the Human generation of CO2 has NOTHING or a minuscule effect on global warming and currently there is no Warming at all especially from air breathing organisms exhaling, expelling gas or driving their cars. It is obvious to me that this THING is being used for political and monetary purposes and that's it.
As they said "show me the holes", Prove it!
Stop CAP and TRADE!
 
Come on now...you would think that if human generated CO2 was a threat to the environment...there would be a "party" in favor of less people existing to pollute the air with CO2
 
FAB,
I think you said it all with "Now there are billions. at stake" .

Those billions (actually hundreds of billions to near a trillion every year) represent yearly profits from the oil/energy industry.


That's who has the incentive and the financial resources to say or do anything regarding climate change to make sure there is no change in this countries direction regarding energy.

Okay you made your point - but isnt the Oil Energy complex just duking it out with the Enviro-Green complex for supremacy?

Sure - thats what I see is happening.

But take this into consideration, those who mistakenly believe Oil = Bad - Green = Good

I see that Oil is fueling my car, heating and cooling my home and a hundred other beneficial things THAT PROFIT ME.

What I see with the "Green" industry is billions in TARP money disappearing, a cabal of greedy bastards that would tax the AIR if they could
legiions of "consultants" and "compliance" Gov employees and a hundred other DECEITFUL activities going on that gave me SOLAR LIGHTS in
the front yard, period.

This Green Garbage is a scam, the benefit we are getting from it is literally nothing compared to Oil based Energy and if the Green Cabal wins we
will sit freezing in our homes with "rations" of power service.
 
Handballer, nice looking family.

Thanks for your service.

Air Force 1970-1974, Spent most of my time at F.E. Warren AFB in Cheyennne, Wyoming
 
U.S. Air Force Tech Sgt. Brian Fentress with his wife Eleni, their
4-year-old daughter Anastasia and 1-year-old son Aydan, stand among snowmen
Tuesday, Nov. 22, 2011, he built in their yard on Eielson Air Force
Base.

Read more: Fairbanks Daily News-Miner - The
voice of Interior Alaska since 1903


Article in the Fairbanks Daily News today: Scientists say Kenai area getting drier - warmer.

http://newsminer.com/view/full_stor...warmer?instance=home_news_window_left_bullets
 
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