Genetically Engineered Salmon??

Should Genetically Engineered fish be approved for human consumption?

  • Heck no. We should leave genetic engineering to God, not to a private corporation!

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Let them grow them and sell them. But they should not be able to patent life forms.

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • Sure, but marked as Genetically Engineered on the lable

    Votes: 4 57.1%
  • Soylent Pink?

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    7
  • Poll closed .

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The Government is considering an application for an east coast corporation to introduce a genetically engineered Salmon. That's right- it's a fish that's been genetically engineered and developed to grow faster and bigger, and the company wants to introduce it into the food supply.

Here is the story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100906/pl_afp/usfoodbiotechfish

So, what do you think? Should we approve a GM fish?
 
"What we gain in hake, we lose in herring" - English proverb

see Cod: A biography of the fish that changed the world; Mark Kurlansky 1997; ISBN 0-8027-1326-2

pp. 195-198 ... "man does not select fish the way nature does" ... and ... "If it then reproduced with a wild fish, it would pass on it's 'bad genes' to their offspring."

that being said, more soylent pink for me, please. can't stop it, no genie ever goes back in the bottle, might as well enjoy it. heck regulate and tax the heck out of it while we're at it. it's about money not fish.

we keep playing these kind of games and we will soon 'naturally select' ourselves out of existence. better for the fish that way you see? ole mother nature, she's a smart one.
 
They are a symptom of collapsed wild Atlantic salmon fisheries due to habitat loss and interbreeding with hatchery fish and overharvest and disease which comes mostly from hatchery fish. It makes me ill. The more we reduce natural productivity and diversity of food supply,the more dependent we are on taxation and money supply-which is in shorter and shorter supply these days due to collapse of credit. Ugh.
thank goodness for international and tribal treaties that promote restoration of free-swimmng natural Pacific salmon populations in western rivers and oceans. The northern European countries that support and harvest Atlantic salmon might have something to say about GMO salmon. The fishing industry on the west coast that keys on wild salmon might have something to say about it too. And recreational fishing organizations as well.
 
Too many questions. Do they stay in captivity? What if they escape captivity? Do we have a problem like we do with Asian Carp? Long term effects? How is the modification done?

I'll eat one after someone else has for 20 or 30 years to see what the results are.
 
"What we gain in hake, we lose in herring" - English proverb

see Cod: A biography of the fish that changed the world; Mark Kurlansky 1997; ISBN 0-8027-1326-2

pp. 195-198 ... "man does not select fish the way nature does" ... and ... "If it then reproduced with a wild fish, it would pass on it's 'bad genes' to their offspring."

that being said, more soylent pink for me, please. can't stop it, no genie ever goes back in the bottle, might as well enjoy it. heck regulate and tax the heck out of it while we're at it. it's about money not fish.

we keep playing these kind of games and we will soon 'naturally select' ourselves out of existence. better for the fish that way you see? ole mother nature, she's a smart one.

Hake [Merluza], is a great fish, I've said before that my wife is Spanish and they love it, especially the ROE, fried, marinated in a salad YUMMY!
If you think they are genetically altering fish and foul, check out grain and vegetables, I guess we are all going to die?:)
Merluza is a tasty and popular fish in Spain

By Lisa & Tony Sierra, About.com Guide

Fresh Hake (Merluza) in Spanish Market

Fresh Hake (Merluza) in Spanish Market
Lisa Sierra (c) 2008

Merluza, ("hake" in English) is a tasty and popular fish in Spain. It is available, although can be expensive in the USA.
 
Contrary to common myth..Genetically engineered living "anything" is not harmful to the eater of said flesh...Whatever it is, can not pass on to the eater anything that has to with passing on genes or chromosomes, etc....Mad-Cow and stuff like that is a microbe/parasite/bacteria that can be passed on..

Bon Appetit:)
 
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Contrary to common myth..Genetically engineered living "anything" is not harmful to the eater of said flesh...Whatever it is, can not pass on to the eater anything that has to with passing on genes or chromosomes, etc....Mad-Cow and stuff like that is a microbe/parasite/bacteria that can be passed on..

Bon Appetit:)
Agreed Buster,

The problem is not the genetic engineering. The problem is: what is the result? If the fish that is genetically engineered starts producing hormones or bad protein chains that are then consumed by people, that is the issue. Genetically engineering cows was never a problem. The problem that occured in beef was the overuse of steroids to create mass. These steroids were still in the beef when consumed.

Please remember that genetic engineering is not playing God, he designed the world on building blocks. That would be like saying you can't use concrete, because it doesn't naturally exist the way God intended water, aggregate, and cement intended to be used. Heck, for that matter, get rid of all the dogs in society, because they're just genetically engineered wolves.:suspicious:
 
Agreed Buster,

The problem is not the genetic engineering. The problem is: what is the result? If the fish that is genetically engineered starts producing hormones or bad protein chains that are then consumed by people, that is the issue. Genetically engineering cows was never a problem. The problem that occured in beef was the overuse of steroids to create mass. These steroids were still in the beef when consumed.
Very true...again, Steroids is a fat soluble chemical that stays in the meat..different with Genes and chromosomes.
 
The Government is considering an application for an east coast corporation to introduce a genetically engineered Salmon. That's right- it's a fish that's been genetically engineered and developed to grow faster and bigger, and the company wants to introduce it into the food supply.

So, what do you think? Should we approve a GM fish?

I would say YES - if the Government honestly operated with the best of intentions and everything was done with the most consistent and deepest efforts to produce ONLY what contributes to the BEST HEALTH and to promote the highest level of care.

It would be 'wonderful' if some International Group - totally unrelated to political ties and free from 'intelligence or military' intervention - were in place to make sure everything is being done for the people at large.

I personlly believe as advancements in our grounding and understanding of the intricate details of a variety of genes and their interactions are thoroughly detailed and totally acknowledged to the highest extent - then we would be WRONG not to make 'modifications' that foster greater health and a more enriched quality of life.


a symptom of collapsed wild Atlantic salmon fisheries due to:
habitat loss
interbreeding with hatchery fish
overharvest
disease

It makes me ill.

The more we reduce natural productivity and diversity of food supply...

It is increasingly evident that Habitat Loss and Overharvest are very largely elimating almost every 'species' throughout the world.

It makes me ill too - because we are just barely beginning to understand the very critical role almost every species of life has and why they have been - and were always meant to be - a needed and 'respected' part of a more sacred system.

But Corporate interests and the irresistable 'human drive' to dominate and have more wealth and power appears to be a longstanding characteristic that will remain the most dominating aspect by which the world at large interacts with LIFE on Earth.

The loss of Habitat - will likely never be a 'real problem' that people can appreciate until it's too late - or conditions are so grave they are forced to react.

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With the 'disease' and 'interbreeding problems' - and here I would all the more say 'reducing natural productivity and diversity of food supply'

I would think GM would offer the most guaranteed advancements against disease - and perhaps 'interbreeding problems'.

On the whole - I would think GM would be driven to let 'natural productivity' continue but with genes and chomosones that are far less suspectible to 'disease' and equally geared towards healthier aspects becoming even more healthy. Diversity of the food supply would likely be far more enhanced - as GM continues.

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I don't know anything - and I'm just throwing out ideas -

Not trying to challege you - and no doubt you are 'the expert'

Contrary to common myth.. ;):)

Thanks man -- well now we know !

Genetically engineered living "anything" is not harmful to the eater of said flesh...Whatever it is, can not pass on to the eater anything that has to with passing on genes or chromosomes, etc....Mad-Cow and stuff like that is a microbe/parasite/bacteria that can be passed on..

Bon Appetit:)

If we stretch our imaginations - and think in terms of hypotheticals - and more abstract possibliities .....

IS it possible that 'Biological Agents' could be introduced in a wide variety of ways - to screw up the genes or chromosomes to cause an endless array of diseases like 'Gulf War Syndrome' - 'Aids' and a bunch of other stuff.

Of course making this a deliberate part of the food supply - would be as far fetched as introducing it to the water supply. At this point however it appears to be easier to have it 'unseen' in the air and all someone has to do is breathe or have contact with their skin and whatever.

Agreed Buster,

The problem is not the genetic engineering. The problem is: what is the result?

Yeah, I see what you're saying - but that sounds too much like the problem is not 'conception' - but what might happen.

If the fish that is genetically engineered starts producing hormones or bad protein chains that are then consumed by people, that is the issue.

That would something to consider - but I think the issue is more than that. The GM Corporations would likely be able to prove that defective hormones and 'bad protein chains' are far more likely to occur 'naturally' and show (in fact Prove) that is the basis for all they are doing.

So I would think perhaps the greatest issue is - is this 'The foot in the Door' - and what happens next.

Once this is fully proven to be 100% Beneficial (and they likely already know this - to now make it public). It then would be almost impossible to NOT accept the GM stuff to spread throughout the world.

I guess I can now make this known - but we (as a society) have long had in place 'machinery' to totally take the place of a woman's uterus. Overtime this will more than likely take the place of our long existing hap hazzard way. Yep - the days of 'morning sickness' and the never ending complications that have forever existed will be a thing of the past. Genetic Engineering will all the more be a huge part of this process - especially considering the 'baby' is being monitored far beyond anything that could be done outside of that. They will get the absolute MAX - in every possible way.

Well that's something I read about years prior - but is still not common knowledge yet.

I'm glad I saw this Thread - as I've been reflecting of various things as soon as I saw it on the news.

Was a GOOD BREAK -- now to finish up and head home in maybe another hour or two.

Have a great weekend everyone ---- and yes that includes YOU (whoever you may be)
 
Which is better? Sockeye or Atlantic salmon? My wife always buys atlantic but I'm wanting to try sockeye, she says it's, "too dry". Anyone have an opinion?
 
Originally Posted by Frixxxx
Agreed Buster,

The problem is not the genetic engineering. The problem is: what is the result?

Yeah, I see what you're saying - but that sounds too much like the problem is not 'conception' - but what might happen.

If the fish that is genetically engineered starts producing hormones or bad protein chains that are then consumed by people, that is the issue.

That would something to consider - but I think the issue is more than that. The GM Corporations would likely be able to prove that defective hormones and 'bad protein chains' are far more likely to occur 'naturally' and show (in fact Prove) that is the basis for all they are doing.

I'm not gonna try to make you understand or convince you..

But what you are trying very hard to suggest about Genetically enhanced to be stronger and more productive in THEIR life type Salmon..Is scientifically and biologically impossible to affect humans by consumption...unless the enhanced fish could produce a blood poison or mutant toxin, but I'm a 100% sure all "ifs", "ands" or "buts" will be researched and checked out before the FDA, USDA, EPA or whoever else would approve this food product.

You have far greater risks of eating something crazy from a can of tuna fish.
 
I'm not gonna try to make you understand or convince you..

But what you are trying very hard to suggest about Genetically enhanced to be stronger and more productive in THEIR life type Salmon..Is scientifically and biologically impossible to affect humans by consumption...unless the enhanced fish could produce a blood poison or mutant toxin, but I'm a 100% sure all "ifs", "ands" or "buts" will be researched and checked out before the FDA, USDA, EPA or whoever else would approve this food product.

You have far greater risks of eating something crazy from a can of tuna fish.

Hey man - I don't know jack squat about any of this stuff.

Listen bro - I don't mind a friendly discussion and my views are entirely geared on how Corporations and Industries will do it.

I may be missing what you're saying Buster and honestly I'm pretty tired and finally ready to head home but check this out:

Genetically enhanced to be stronger and more productive in THEIR life type Salmon..Is scientifically and biologically impossible to affect humans by consumption.

Buster - there is probably nothing more 'scientifically' proven than how the consumption of 'Healthy Food' most enhances our health. So all I'm saying is the more we could establish - disease and defective free food the better off we'd be.

unless the enhanced fish could produce a blood poison or mutant toxin, but I'm a 100% sure all "ifs", "ands" or "buts" will be researched and checked out before the FDA, USDA, EPA or whoever else would approve this food product.

Seriously, at one point I would have believed that and probably said the exact same thing.

The most important and hugely controlling aspects by which either our food or water supply is determined - is wholly after Corporate Interests and 'Economic Conditions' have FIRST taken 'priority'.

Think about it Buster - seriously - they are going to throw as much oil tainted garbage they can push and 'stress it's safe'; on the whole they could care less about whatever conditions the 'life' of our food supply is forced to endure and they are going to saturate them to the maximum with hormones - anitbiotics - and anything else they feel like doing IF IT MAKES IT more 'marketable'.

Man, leaving the Genetic Fish aside - I could easliy prove how widespread our food and water has been 'tainted with all kinds of toxins' and they could care less. Matter of fact - it would be just as easy to show how they did everything to 'cover it up'.

Lastly you are totally 'wrong' on this comment:
I'm not gonna try to make you understand or convince you..

Hey man - now that you've explained it - -

I do understand

and I am convinced

See -- you're better than you realize :)

Later dude
 
I'm not gonna try to make you understand or convince you..
You have far greater risks of eating something crazy from a can of tuna fish.
Dude, I already agreed with you on this....keep it safe and make it work!:toung:
 
I'm not gonna try to make you understand or convince you..

But what you are trying very hard to suggest about Genetically enhanced to be stronger and more productive in THEIR life type Salmon..Is scientifically and biologically impossible to affect humans by consumption...unless the enhanced fish could produce a blood poison or mutant toxin, but I'm a 100% sure all "ifs", "ands" or "buts" will be researched and checked out before the FDA, USDA, EPA or whoever else would approve this food product.

You have far greater risks of eating something crazy from a can of tuna fish.

Buster,
Maybe if I strive to be more 'humble' and open to hearing people better and really allowing what they are sharing -- (instead of what I think they are sharing) -- to digest ....

...then maybe you wouldn't have to try. Maybe there is a chance I could understand -- with a little guidance or information -- and understanding would 'convince' me to know right from wrong.

If I may say just a little to clarify what I meant to express:
"But what you are trying very hard to suggest

This referring to me (Steadygain suggesting)

about Genetically enhanced to be stronger and more productive in THEIR life type Salmon..Is scientifically and biologically impossible to affect humans by consumption..

Buster, it's possible that I have been mislead and over the years most of what I have found about the 'foods we consume' and the direct impact it has upon our health - especially in relation to the subsequent diseases that either directly result from the wrong consumption - or all the more the lack of diseases that result from consumption of the right foods/beverages --

---that I am totally WRONG and if I am wrong then I'm sorry.

It's also possible that the growing rate of obesity in the USA and the marked increase in Diabetes and other health problems have nothing to do with what we 'consume'

I'm not trying to make you (Buster) or anyone else on the MB look like an idiot and if that's how my message comes across then I'm sorry for expressing myself the way I did.

All I am 'suggesting' - and 'strongly' if you prefer: Is that the more we strive to consume 'healthy foods and beverages' the more it has been both scientifically and biologically proven to be beneficial.

.unless the enhanced fish could produce a blood poison or mutant toxin"

Again Buster, I could be totally wrong - in dealing with the possibility that any living food source could be 'genetically modified' to be used in a destructive manner. Say militarily against an enemy. But I would think if food could be genetically modified for 'the good' it could equally be modified for 'the bad'.

Lastly - I'm sorry if I came across as 'aggogant' or offensively challenging.

I'm a 100% sure all "ifs", "ands" or "buts" will be researched and checked out before the FDA, USDA, EPA or whoever else would approve this food product.

You could easily be 'right' and I may not have kept up with the changes that make these vital departments sacred to our lives.

FDA - A lecture I gave a few years back regarding the pharmaceuticals that dominate our 'health care' elaborated on the specifics by how they come to our shelves and medicine cabinets.

A product can fail to establish any 'benefit' or even show to have adverse effects - on numerous trials ;):)...

...but if they have the money - and 2 of their trials are 'good' then they PASS - and use the 2 that did work.

EPA - a loop hole named after VP Chenny's company elimates the need to hassel with EPA requirements and gives immunity to any roadblock air or water concerns - or environmental concerns legally established.

USDA - you're probably right on this one Buster. I'd say anything that is USDA approved is essentially perfect.

Anyway, I'm not out to cause problems - but only stir some thoughts so we don't 'close a subject' simply because it doesn't sound good. And if it's NOT good - then we should discuss it.
 
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