Gay - Ready to SERVE

[Frixxxx]

The debate is not hard, modern day policy and mind set WILL cause homosexuality not to be a condition of service. However, there are many "moral" articles of the UCMJ that need to be addressed before you can radically open the doors. I knew homosexuals in the Air Force without incident. But sexual criminals are homo- AND hetero-, but their numbers are small when talking about who is looking at who in the shower.

Fix the articles in the UCMJ, address the "extremes" of human rights aka look at all the members of "GLAD" and really do some soul-searching about the admissions of viable candidates. Trans-genders really confuse me simply for the fact I personally can't wrap my head around it totally, even though I know the condition exists. Homosexuals: Been there done that, let them grab a weapon and stand a post.

Once the governing laws are changed, then they should be able to serve with the same dignity and honor as any true warrior. Betray that, and they're just a $hitty excuse for person.

 

[JTH]

The debate is not hard, modern day policy and mind set WILL cause homosexuality not to be a condition of service. However, there are many "moral" articles of the UCMJ that need to be addressed before you can radically open the doors. I knew homosexuals in the Air Force without incident. But sexual criminals are homo- AND hetero-, but their numbers are small when talking about who is looking at who in the shower.

Fix the articles in the UCMJ, address the "extremes" of human rights aka look at all the members of "GLAD" and really do some soul-searching about the admissions of viable candidates. Trans-genders really confuse me simply for the fact I personally can't wrap my head around it totally, even though I know the condition exists. Homosexuals: Been there done that, let them grab a weapon and stand a post.

Once the governing laws are changed, then they should be able to serve with the same dignity and honor as any true warrior. Betray that, and they're just a $hitty excuse for person.

Good stuff.

Agreed, and it's also going to push forward the gay marriage agenda as current heterosexuals have spouses with medical benefits, but will those benefits be extended to gays? It's a huge can of worms and will take some time to resolve. And like you said, what will we do with transsexuals? If military Joe wants to become military Jane will the tax payers be on the hook?

 

[Steadygain]

Hey buddy, how about not taking my quotes and splicing them up to meet your needs? And while you're at it, get back on the same planet, I could care less about your "I am women hear me roar" stick. The military you were apart was way less tolerant than the miltary we have today. The fact is you don't need to proclaim your sexuality to join today's military, we have many gay folks proudly serving today.

As for genetic defect, I'm refering to medical studies as I'm in the camp this is the way someone was born and it's not a choice. If everyone was gay, nobody would procreate, therefore we'd be extinct. If anyone is offended by the term "genetic defect" I'll kindly remind them that we have some sort of defect within us.

Oh dear friend,
I am not trying to take your quotes to splice them up to 'meet my needs'.

If I have any 'need' it is only - one of 'better understanding' and one by which I can love you and accept you - even if we do have different views on some aspects of life.

My reference to 'women' - or to any other 'people' who were (or are) regarded as 'unworthy' ...and who by nature of their 'gender' or 'race' or 'nationality' were forced to live in an environment that was hostile and demeaning - rejecting - negative ....that none of them 'deserved' to have lived through all those abuses.

The military I was in would NEVER have even remotely considered the possibility of a 'woman' being able to be what it takes to be a combat soldier.

I can't help how others think - or the mentality of an 'organization' ... and I'm not trying to be offensive to you ...

...I would simply ask every person to think for themselves and to strive to avoid the deeply ingrain 'prejudisms' that keep us intollerant - or make us display and fuel a Negative environment.

Well - I'm sorry for not giving you the 'credit' you deserve. I think what threw me off was your description as a 'Defect' - maybe the reference to calling them 'queer'.

I did NOT come to believe it was 'natural' - or 'genetic' until very recently. If you honestly believe this --- I mean really --- then how could you hold this against them?

I'm not trying to push anything down your throat - JTH - I'm simply trying to see what 'bridges' we could form -- so there is an appreciation and acceptance between 'us' - even if our views and beliefs on some things are different.

The debate is not hard, modern day policy and mind set WILL cause homosexuality not to be a condition of service. However, there are many "moral" articles of the UCMJ that need to be addressed before you can radically open the doors. I knew homosexuals in the Air Force without incident. But sexual criminals are homo- AND hetero-, but their numbers are small when talking about who is looking at who in the shower.

Fix the articles in the UCMJ, address the "extremes" of human rights aka look at all the members of "GLAD" and really do some soul-searching about the admissions of viable candidates. Trans-genders really confuse me simply for the fact I personally can't wrap my head around it totally, even though I know the condition exists. Homosexuals: Been there done that, let them grab a weapon and stand a post.

Once the governing laws are changed, then they should be able to serve with the same dignity and honor as any true warrior. Betray that, and they're just a $hitty excuse for person.

Frixxxxx,
My brother and friend -- this is way more in line with everything I was hoping we could acknowledge and understand.

In the exact same manner - this is my 'Political View' - the laws and policies that have been in place and increasingly 'inforced' are the very things that need to be 'Changed' for Change to happen.

Thank you !