Freezing Federal Employees Salaries: Time to Be "Part of the Deal"?

[nnuut]

Maybe you two should get a room?:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[CountryBoy]

Maybe you two should get a room?:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Touche :laugh: Got me there nnuut.

 

[CountryBoy]

Again we are looking for the worst..I read this differently than the "oh woe is me" sentiment that is coming from this thread..

Enjoy life..and stop worring about something that hasn't even a chance of happening

Sen. Tom Coburn loses bid to offset war bill costs with $60 billion in cuts

The Senate shot down two amendments offered by Coburn and Sen. John McCain to freeze federal workers' salaries, sell government property and take other measures to pay for the wars.

Read more: http://newsok.com/sen.-tom-coburn-l...billion-in-cuts/article/3464369#ixzz0pFApoRQx

You hit the nail on the head good friend, I bow to your ability to see into the future. Now if'n you can PM me the Power Ball numbers.

CB

 

[Steadygain]

Maybe you two should get a room?:laugh:

Gosh :embarrest: darn it It would probably take a year or more before I could finish with the line already there. By the time I finished with Coolhand, FMW, 350z, and all the others -- -- would probably need to to rest a year or so before I could go any further.

You too Steady.

Thanks man !!! Much appreciated.

 

[mick504]

Yeah....all those stock options they shouldn't have received and then took advantage of the system whilst everybody else paid for it.....I think not!

 

[ezmoney]

I'm with you CB. Do I want a freeze no, but I will accept the freeze and live like I always have but if the fat cats decide that they need one and we don't, well then I have real problem with that. Have a great Memorial Day my brother.

 

[Zebra]

Question? How in the world do you pay down the deficit when the current adminstration is hell bent on giving away tax payers monies to every Joe Smuckatelly Country that has a hand out. Now Hiliary is out there pledging 900 Million bucks to GAZA..............what the heck is that all about? How about pledging tax payers $$ to the deficit!!!

 

[Silverbird]

Welcome to the real world - Fed salaries are some of the few that have been going up. Most wages have been flat (unless you are in the management stratosphere).

No raises, though, is a bit harsh on those still going through grade rather than step increasese (just getting started). This is opposed to me being grumbly about being stuck in the current step pay where I am now. However, I'm stuck because I've reached grade terminus in my current position, so I'd just be grumbly.

And in private sector, they don't even have to get your pay freeze through Congress or even explain why, and management can get pay raises and bonuses while rank and file don't, so we still have little to grumble about, except the Legislative branch is acting like upper management. What's missing is a pay freeze for Congress too.

 

[Boghie]

There has been an overproduction of Gubmint Bureaucrats

Some of us will 'Be On Sale'.:laugh:

 

[Silverbird]

We already have a hiring freeze. Had them intermittently over the past 10 years. Good luck finding anyone under the age of 30 working here, except the IT contractors, which of course leads to average pay being higher.

 

[Boghie]

There will be layoffs - not freezes.

 

[Silverbird]

That's one thing that's a pain in the keister to implement in the Federal Government: a layoff. Justification will be a pain in the neck, and even if you get rid of an office, everyone's going to want a transfer, and the whole process of figuring out who gets a transfer is going to end up in court somewhere.

Even a furlough, since you have some people who are required to work no matter what, and some who can be sent home, is a pain to implement. Remember the Government shutdown? The only thing worse than waiting at home and not being paid, was being required to work, and not being paid. Since they had no way to split the required to show, from the rest of us, we all got paid in the end.

 

[Boghie]

Silverbird,

The voting public will demand change.

The deficits have become embarrassing. That is a step above intolerable. And, folks have been shocked out of the belief that credit can be used to finance day-to-day expenses. Americans have become embarrassed and concerned about gubmint bloat – and, most of that is bureaucrat salaries.

The laws will change. The regulations will change.

 

[Silverbird]

The public will demand cutbacks in Federal spending, they will not care how it's carried out. Office supplies, travel (for extreme instance - only the Treasury Secretary to the G-20 with no backup), and machinery upgrades will go first, then machinery maintenance. Hiring freezes everywhere. Re-orgs are possible but not as likely because they cause immediate increase in costs/spending. There will not be a COLA increase.

I am not sure what would happen with the move away from contractors - but there already is a shortage in contractor oversight which will not get any better. Contracts will be broken, stretched out, work order changes will cause more screaming and yelling and billing.

Hiring will stop. Forced personnel count cuts possible. Layoffs before pay cuts because pay cuts are such a pain in the butt to implement. This will also mean that average salaries will stay high because there won't be anyone under the age of 35 working here. What is going to happen to all those with vetran's preferences? And we are going to continue to look like we are overpaid because we are all getting a little bit white in the haircolor.

 

[Silverbird]

There is a difference between freezing the COLA pay raises, and freezing salaries. I can put up with not getting an inflation factor increase, inflation is pretty tame at the moment, and there's no reason we should believe we are entitled to this every year.

Freezing salaries, on the other hand, no way. I'd be pretty p.o.ed if I moved up a grade in pay and all I got was an atta girl.

 

[nnuut]

Jimmy Carter did just that to me, and many others. Got a promotion and no raise, $3.00 more dollars an hour, I was pissed for 3 months, then they were allowed to give me the raise. I still Hate Jimmy!!

 

[Thunderhorse]

Jimmy Carter did just that to me, and many others. Got a promotion and no raise, $3.00 more dollars an hour, I was pissed for 3 months, then they were allowed to give me the raise. I still Hate Jimmy!!

Kept your peanuts did he? Ahh, have a beer. Or beers! He ain't got nothing on the gangsters running the show now.

 

[Boghie]

Jimmy Carter did just that to me, and many others. Got a promotion and no raise, $3.00 more dollars an hour, I was pissed for 3 months, then they were allowed to give me the raise. I still Hate Jimmy!!

Nnuut, Silverbird,

You ain't got nothing on me...

I received a full two grade (not step) promotion, a much higher level of responsibility, and ongoing personnel management headaches in early 1993.

I was promoted literally the same pay period President Clinton’s retroactive tax increase took hold.

I had mathed out my after tax pay increase using the pre-Clinton era tax code, ran an awesome wet-down party with two other friends that were promoted, and waited with joy for my first paycheck.

After tax, it fell $50.

That pissed me off.

That started the process of evolving a Birkenstock and Burlap Sack Progressive to a Reagan Republican.

And, that initiated an education resulting in learning tax management and the value of investing heavily in tax advantaged retirement vehicles.

In a way, thanks President Clinton.
In another way, never again.

 

[jimijr]

They still owe me a week's comp time at minimum for having to work through the furlough in '96.

 

[nnuut]

If you only knew how much money they made on us with these schemes you would mess your sheets!:nuts: