Fort Hood

[phil]

I answered your question, and gave you sources. Money spent on Iraq. Some of them were YOUR sources.

As president, Bill Clinton has...squandered $5.5 billion in U.S. taxpayer dollars on containing the Iraqi threat — and that's before the costly Desert Fox operation launched Wednesday. On Wednesday alone, some 200 cruise missiles were fired by the Navy at Iraqi targets. Each one of those high-tech bombs cost about $1 million. that's $200 million right there, just on ordnance, in one day...

Okay, let's go with as much as 5.7 billion. What is your source? Is it more Heritage Foundation? Please, don't tell me that's all you have. Next, you'll be telling me SH had WMD.

 

[Scrappy]

I answered your question, and gave you sources. Money spent on Iraq. Some of them were YOUR sources.

As president, Bill Clinton has...squandered $5.5 billion in U.S. taxpayer dollars on containing the Iraqi threat — and that's before the costly Desert Fox operation launched Wednesday. On Wednesday alone, some 200 cruise missiles were fired by the Navy at Iraqi targets. Each one of those high-tech bombs cost about $1 million. that's $200 million right there, just on ordnance, in one day...

Okay, let's go with as much as 5.7 billion. What is your source? Is it more Heritage Foundation? Please, don't tell me that's all you have. Next, you'll be telling me SH had WMD.

I am going to try and watch Barry.........maybe he can spread some more love abroad before they topple his statue in Indonesia.

 

[burrocrat]

forget the two chickens in every pot thing, i want one of those biden bobblehead dolls they got propped behind his right shoulder there, i'm afraid we're in for a whole nother hour of stale jokes and canned applause.

 

[phil]

When you're right, you're right. Cost of foreign wars during the Bush administration: going on a trillion dollars. Human costs in the hundreds of thousands of lives. Cost to our foreign relations almost immeasurable. Being right in 1998.....priceless.

http://conservativeusa.org/iraq-war.htm

 

[burrocrat]

best thing i heard last night was 35 Billion to promote small businesses (man we toss those big numbers around so casually now after being traumatized).

too bad it took a year to figure out that 5% of the bailout can fix 100% of the problem.

i hope walmart has tiki torches and pitchforks on sale, the natives are restless.

 

[Steadygain]

Well, Good Morning everyone.

I know we have a lot of new members and visitors that probably don't know me at all and therefore I feel a little compelled to expand on a few things.

I grew up believing that everyone was equally 'good' and I loved everyone without any regard to their gender or race or anything else. I totally believed in a Perfect GOD and strived to be all that GOD stood for.

Later -- as an adult I joined the Army and my concept of the Service was wholly geared towards fighting for your Country. I advanced to Company Commander before our Training was completed and our Company far out did the others.

Was immediately stationed with a Combat Unit when training was finished and almost immediately realized that in order to Serve the USA to the highest degree I had to totally abandon every belief and almost every grounding I ever knew -- to become the Ultimate Soldier.

It took me awhile to thoroughly achieve that GOAL but eventually that is everything I lived for and the Army was very pleased with my progress. I was sent on numerous Missions -- never remotely failing one -- then went to Special Forces and given many more Missions on incredibly high levels.

It has taken me many years ~~ but I'm doing every possible to 'Calm down' and be the loving, innocent, and all accepting boy I use to be.

Originally Posted by Scrappy
To me these things are essentially meaningless and not worth rehashing. One man's opinion. To others, two pages of how you would "hypothetically" defend a mass murderer might be essentially meaningless.

I think Tom (or the Moderators) had to remove my initial posts concerning the man who killed the Ft. Hood soldiers because my views were so rawly cold, harsh, condemning, with no trace of sympathy or compassion.

My POINT on pretending at one point to be His Defense Lawyer was to show what it takes to really be a SOLDIER; How you have to abandon everything that holds you back and become 100% Devoted and Committed to your JOB.

ONLY in that manner can you possibly SERVE as you were meant to. So I was only trying to demonstrate what it takes to do that. I put that same 'challenge' to other Members and now I would include Scrappy.


Am only hoping that Phil and the rest of us can come to an agreement ~~ and that all of us can unanimously see why my later points are so important.

Then all those who committed their lives to SERVICE will get the respect they deserve

I served my country for 24 years in uniform.

Anyone can wear a uniform.

Only those who can honestly put aside everything they've ever known and become wholly transformed to being the Ultimate Combat Soldier -- can 'Serve' in the highest possible manner -- to be all you are meant to be.

Scrappy, how many people would I have to kill to be considered a 'mass murderer' ? Would it make any difference if they were innocent or guilty if there was even the slightest chance of them compromising the Mission ??

Timothy McVeigh was a decorated Soldier -- an honored hero so to speak. He expressed that the Military was turning him into a cold heartless animal.... that he was killing without conviction... that he had become 'an evil' and he was tormented by the change....

So his purpose in killing the others ... was a genuine effort to show everyone the absurity of killing 'innoncent people'...

Somehow he actually believed his actions would 'wake up' the USA and they would become pacifists..... I honestly believe that is really the truth as I remember it.

McVeigh lacked the most important aspect and that is 'INTEGRITY' -- You can not be the Ultimate Soldier without that -- it's way more than learning to kill.

Just a closing thought -- as much as I despise the 'Fort Hood' event; it has shown how deeply we are 'Americans' and the incredible love and honor we have for all those in Service.

Birch -- just let it go man --- luv ya bro.

So I deeply regret both the Twin Tower event and the Ft. Hood event ~~ yet anything that brings the Country to Stand Together and all the more to Support those in Service ...

... is something I deeply appreciate.

So there you have it folks ... I don't want to treat anyone on the MB the way I did some others in the past. I'm simply trying to be a better person but I have never lacked integrity; so please know in my opinion there is a huge difference between randomly killing 'decidated and innocent soldiers' -- and killing in order to accomplish what the United States of America has called on you to fulfill.

Still in the end -- you have to live with everything. So all the more I'm stiving to live in Peace and know LOVE as GOD intended.

 

[McDuck]

Five Muslim Soldiers Arrested at Fort Jackson in South Carolina

 

[tsptalk]

The Army and Nidal Hasan

http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnPlayer.swf?aid=11991

 

[nnuut]

Heads need to roll and Laws need to be changed or is my opinion Politically Incorrect?