Fort Hood

[Viva_La_Migra]

May God bless and keep the souls of the victims and their families.

Rather than 72 virgins, I hope the perpetrator is cursed with 72 old hags suffering from permanent PMDD!

 

[phil]

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/11/2009116102644523243.html

Let's all remember that we're Americans here. Above is an Al-Jazeera posting that Muslims fear backlash in America.

I remember having a nice chat with a local Muslim mullah after 9/11 in Virginia. Let's show as much forbearance as we can during these trying times. No anti-Islamic posts please.

 

[KevinD]

Anybody blamed this on W yet?

 

[James48843]

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
___________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release November 6, 2009

Honoring the Victims of the Tragedy at Fort Hood, Texas
- - - - - - -
By The President of the United States of America
A Proclamation

Our Nation's thoughts and prayers are with the service members, civilians, and families affected by the tragic events at Fort Hood, Texas.

The brave victims, who risked their lives to protect their fellow countrymen, serve as a constant source of strength and inspiration to all Americans. We ask God to watch over the fallen, the wounded, and all those who are suffering at this difficult hour.

As a mark of respect honoring the victims of the tragedy at Fort Hood, Texas, I hereby order, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, that the flag of the United States shall be flown at half-staff at the White House and upon all public buildings and grounds, at all military posts and naval stations, and on all naval vessels of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia and throughout the United States and its Territories and possessions until sunset, Tuesday, November 10, 2009. I also direct that the flag shall be flown at half-staff for the same length of time at all United States embassies, legations, consular offices, and other facilities abroad, including all military facilities and naval vessels and stations.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this sixth day of November, in the year of our Lord two thousand nine, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-fourth.

BARACK OBAMA​

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/honoring-victims-tragedy-fort-hood-texas

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[Buster]

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
___________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release November 6, 2009

Honoring the Victims of the Tragedy at Fort Hood, Texas
- - - - - - -
By The President of the United States of America
A Proclamation

Our Nation's thoughts and prayers are with the service members, civilians, and families affected by the tragic events at Fort Hood, Texas.

The brave victims, who risked their lives to protect their fellow countrymen, serve as a constant source of strength and inspiration to all Americans. We ask God to watch over the fallen, the wounded, and all those who are suffering at this difficult hour.

As a mark of respect honoring the victims of the tragedy at Fort Hood, Texas, I hereby order, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, that the flag of the United States shall be flown at half-staff at the White House and upon all public buildings and grounds, at all military posts and naval stations, and on all naval vessels of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia and throughout the United States and its Territories and possessions until sunset, Tuesday, November 10, 2009. I also direct that the flag shall be flown at half-staff for the same length of time at all United States embassies, legations, consular offices, and other facilities abroad, including all military facilities and naval vessels and stations.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this sixth day of November, in the year of our Lord two thousand nine, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-fourth.

BARACK OBAMA​

​

I am very pleased with President Obama's response and the way he has dignified the Fallen Soldiers of Fort Hood.

I apologize for tarnishing the memories of these wonderful Americans by mentioning or even eluding to any Muslim profiling on this thread...

See my next post as a new thread for that.

 

[James48843]

Remember

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*U.S. Navy photo by
Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class
Patrick W. Mullen III
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[Buster]

God Bless them..

 

[James48843]

News Story this morning in the LA Times. A reporter interviewed extended family members of the shooter- cousins, uncles, including some who live on the West Bank.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...hood-suspect-uncle8-2009nov08,0,1886826.story

They tell a story of a man haunted by an overwhelming caseload, and whom fellow soldiers taunted on several occasions. They theorize he just snapped.

I guess we'll never know for sure what the motive was.

a clip from the article:

"Hamad said that during their time together last year, the major seemed more afflicted by his caseload of physically disabled and traumatized war veterans.

"He didn't have time even to breathe," Hamad said. "Too much pressure, too many patients, not enough staff. He would say, 'I don't know how to treat them or what to tell them,' because he didn't have enough time. They just kept coming one after the other.

"Sometimes he cried because of what happened to them. How young they are, what's going to happen to the rest of their lives. They're going to be handicapped; they're going to be crazy. He was very, very sensitive ."

 

[OBGibby]

Anybody blamed this on W yet?

George W. Bush makes secret visit to mourning families at Fort Hood (Los Angeles Times)

".....former President George W. Bush and his wife Laura made a secret visit to the devastated military families at Fort Hood.

The Bushes instructed the commander of the mourning military base that they wanted no publicity. With their Secret Service detail, Bush and his wife made the 30 mile trip unannounced from their ranch near Crawford, Texas Friday evening.

..... Some foreign news reporters have begun to write unflattering comparisons of the emotional Bush vs the ever-cool, possibly cold Obama."

 

[phil]

Apparently it wasn't that secret. It ended up in a major newspaper.

 

[OBGibby]

Apparently it wasn't that secret. It ended up in a major newspaper.

There appears to have been a 24-hour delay of their visit and press coverage (which has been appropriately muted). Fairly impressive considering the connected world we inhabit these days.

 

[phil]

I don't know. Usually when someone says something is a secret, I assume it is secret and won't end up in the headlines. But I'm glad that former President Bush went. I'm sure his comfort to the people at the base was welcomed.

 

[Buster]

Wall Street Journal:
November 8th...

Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut who heads the Senate's Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, said initial evidence suggested that the alleged shooter, Army Major Nidal Hasan, was a "self-radicalized, home-grown terrorist" who had turned to Islamic extremism while under personal stress [/QUOTE]
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125769764441836773.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories

 

[phil]

Mr. Lieberman said preliminary evidence suggested that Mr. Hasan had denounced the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. "In the U.S. Army, this is not a matter of constitutional freedom of speech"


He expressed concern that speculation about the shooting could result in a "backlash" against Muslim soldiers. "What happened at Fort Hood was a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even-greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here," he said. "We have a very diverse army. We have a very diverse society. And that gives us all strength.

 

[FAB1]

Ha, no "virgins soon" for someone trying to go out with a bang. That's what he wants. No Martyrdom. He's just a felon. Multiple Life sentences in supermax = gone and forgotten. Of course he will need solitary confinement for his own protection.

Umm...unlikely.

If he lives, military trial - think death penalty.

 

[Buster]

Umm...unlikely.

If he lives, military trial - think death penalty.

News has been saying; POSSIBLY that this case could be turned over to a CIVIL court...nothing definite on that…

But, if it were to go to a full Military Court Martial and he was found guilty...isn’t the Death Sentence usually by FIRING SQUAUD?

 

[Birchtree]

Well I would hope they would give the first responder another chance to take him out - she should of tried to take out that big head of his. News reports are now saying he belonged to the same mosque that two of the 911 creeps attended. This was a terrorist attack.

 

[James48843]

News has been saying; POSSIBLY that this case could be turned over to a CIVIL court...nothing definite on that…

But, if it were to go to a full Military Court Martial and he was found guilty...isn’t the Death Sentence usually by FIRING SQUAUD?

Nope. Not firing squad.

Current UCMJ proscribes death by leathal injection if you are sentenced to death by the military system. Fort Leavenworth, KS.

There are currently 8 military personnel on death row at "The Castle".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Disciplinary_Barracks

 

[OBGibby]

Fort Hood: Drop the Political Correctness - David Warren, Ottawa Citizen

".....Falsehood has more consequences than the revelation of personal insincerity. What happened at Fort Hood was no kind of "tragedy." It was a criminal act, of the terrorist sort, performed by a man acting upon known Islamist motives. To present the perpetrator himself as a kind of "victim" -- a man emotionally distressed by his impending assignment to Afghanistan or Iraq -- is to misrepresent the reality.

This man was a professional psychiatrist, assigned to help soldiers cope with traumas. Is this the profile of a man with no control over his own emotions? It appears he had hired a lawyer to get him out of the military before his deployment overseas. Is this consistent with spontaneity?

He reportedly shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire on American soldiers. Would that perhaps offer a little hint of the actual motive? He shot about 40 people, over 10 minutes, with two pistols, neither of them military issue. Might that perhaps suggest premeditation?

There were reports from within the base (Fox News as usual seized on what other networks didn't), that accused Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan had not merely been making anti-war remarks about Iraq and Afghanistan, but adding things like, "Muslims should stand up against the aggressor." Do we still have a category for treason? He has been quoted from Internet postings comparing Islamist suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade. Another clue?

And all this is quite apart from less checkable information that was quickly available through the Internet, painting a much grimmer figure of a man with openly Islamist views, able to rise through the U.S. military, because of the syndrome of political correctness....."

More at http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/09/fort_hood_99072.html

 

[phil]

Maj. Hassan is a soldier who, according to the news, committed crimes against other soldiers. The UCMJ and the military court system is fair and will prosecute him if the evidence shows he committed the crime. If it goes to a trial, a military judge and jury will try him, and he will be provided a defense attorney by the military.

This sounds legalese, but at this point Maj. Hassan is still just the alleged perpetrator in this case, and has not been tried and convicted in a courtroom.
As far as this is seen as an act of terror, I think the jury is still out on that one.