Food Stamps, and Nothing Else -NYT

Yeah Steady,

Our principles and morals have sunk so low, that we probably re-inforced this mentality and if we don't change it, we'll all suffer for it. Maybe we need a cleansing, if that's the way people are gonna want it "give it to me or I'm gonna take it " attitude. Then they'd better bring their A game out where I live, cause we don't put up with that crap. :D

Yes, sadly so much falls on deaf and ignorant ears now.

Have a good one. Just sitting here, in front of the fire, watching the birds work the feeder over as the snow piles down. Running errands tomorrow for folks stuck in. Now that's my kind of 4 wheeling. :D

Nothing like what Buster is facing, but the elderly can't get out.

CB
 
CountryBoy said:
Regardless of what the problem/crisis/need is, at some point someone has to be responsible and have the nads to say, sorry no more money.

Children learned this lesson, well those that had responsible parents, but I'm coming to the conclusion that there are an awful lot of adults in this country that either didn't learn that lesson or are just plain selfish.

Life ain't fair and never will be, but all we're doing is screwing up the future for our children, by trying to give everyone, everything they want.

Whatever happened to the idea that you live within your means and that includes the Feds. We're going to kill the Middle class, by taxing us to death, but what the hey, at least we'll all be suffering in the same old living conditions, except for our politburo.
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Wow this is a great post CB.

To say 'no more' would likely lead to widespread riots and those 'without' would be forced to take from those who have. There would be endless vandalism and destruction -- which would very quickly spread to others seeing this as an opportunity to take everything .. so in the end it would be like a huge 'free for all'.

Children rarely have the homelife and values and morals you're use to thinking about. Both parents are largely forced to work -- and the kids are wisked off to others.

Our 'Society' has largely enforced this 'Give Me' mentality CB -- and has for many years. It's a System that feeds on itself and the more you give the more everyone will strive to get more. All the more others will demand they get the same thing -- not because they deserve it -- but because others are getting it so they should to.

The idea of 'Living within your Means' is something very rare. It is not the 'norm' CB. Our society has increasingly been led to believe they should buy what they can't afford and spend with money they don't even have. It's why every other commercial is talking about how to avoid 'Paying' back what you owe.

Man I know exactly where you're coming from CB; but the overwhelming majority would tune this out; and it will get worse and all of us know it has to get worse. We keep thinking the next generation will ready live in hell -- and they will - but they can't hold it off and we are all going to pay.

Anyway - I feel for ya man cause I know where you're coming from.
 
Regardless of what the problem/crisis/need is, at some point someone has to be responsible and have the nads to say, sorry no more money.

Children learned this lesson, well those that had responsible parents, but I'm coming to the conclusion that there are an awful lot of adults in this country that either didn't learn that lesson or are just plain selfish.

Life ain't fair and never will be, but all we're doing is screwing up the future for our children, by trying to give everyone, everything they want.

Whatever happened to the idea that you live within your means and that includes the Feds. We're going to kill the Middle class, by taxing us to death, but what the hey, at least we'll all be suffering in the same old living conditions, except for our politburo.
 
Birchtree said:
You do know that HIV and hepatitis C are life style diseases

We should grant you the opportunity to be 'The Concrete Man'

Then whenever a Dogmatic Statement like this comes into being you can carve it in Concrete --- So ALL will know.

No exceptions this is an undeniable fact across the board.

Though I've also heard they were Plagues from GOD - purposely dished out to punish all who had it.

- and guess who pays for their treatments along with methadone.

The patient who has it does.

The taxpayer does and the expenditures are increasing to help these good folks live longer.

Here you must mean taxpayer dollars are largely what supply the clinics and hospitals and so forth.
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Silverbird said:
Depends how you got the HIV, that's not so simple.
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Same with Hep C - which was acquired in a deliberate attempt to kill me.

But guess what - I never had treatment and I'm one of the 30% that eventually overcame it by living the way I do. So at times maintaining a healthy lifestyle can pay off.

Also many have acquired one or both -- with nothing to do with their lifesytles -- they are way too young to blame for that.

Then there are the health care workers who get exposed; the decent friend that barely brushed against you with an open wound; and all the other ways no one remotely considers...

But Birch is right -- at some point we need the Concrete Man to make a call and simply eliminate them -- rather than spending any more money.


Well just a thought --- feeling kind of whakey
 
You do know that HIV and hepatitis C are life style diseases - and guess who pays for their treatments along with methadone. The taxpayer does and the expenditures are increasing to help these good folks live longer.
 
Adventurer said:
Well, it's the smart people that take advantage of the system. It's all us dummies working in the middle that support BOTH ends of the spectrum. Corporate welfare costs many times more than public welfare and we continue to pay for both. A fat cat CEO with his hand out is taking my tax dollars just the same as the guy on the corner. Only thing is it, it takes 1000s more of those guys on the corner to equal the fat cat in what he is reapinig.
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I like the way you think Adventurer, Welcome to the Message Board!!:D
Norman
 
Well, it's the smart people that take advantage of the system. It's all us dummies working in the middle that support BOTH ends of the spectrum. Corporate welfare costs many times more than public welfare and we continue to pay for both. A fat cat CEO with his hand out is taking my tax dollars just the same as the guy on the corner. Only thing is it, it takes 1000s more of those guys on the corner to equal the fat cat in what he is reapinig.
 
It is not about the work but about contributing something or at least punching a clock instead of sitting on their butts all day. Idle hands and minds are the devils play ground .

I want drug random testing too.
 
Silverbird said:
I get this feeling that some of these recipriants would not pass the security test to even work for the Government as cleanup contractors. So it wouldn't be that simple. There also will need to be some sort of child care.
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Yes, I agree.
And some work at not working. It some times becomes easier to do it yourself than continuing to show them over and over and over..... I have met a few of those too. They depend on ones frustrations of having to continually teach. They would rather you think them stupid so they don't have to be responsible.
I call it games people play.
 
They could drop their kids off at the local High School - they all provide day care these days with so many illegitimates being born. It's a great government sponsorship.
 
I get this feeling that some of these recipriants would not pass the security test to even work for the Government as cleanup contractors. So it wouldn't be that simple. There also will need to be some sort of child care.
 
nnuut said:
Wow! Let's not even talk about WELFARE, that's a BIG ONE!! Do you have any idea how much assistance a single Mother gets?:suspicious:
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HEY, that is a full time career, doncha know. And just think, it can be passed onto their children.
Boy am I glad I did not choose that route. :D
 
Wow! Let's not even talk about WELFARE, that's a BIG ONE!! Do you have any idea how much assistance a single Mother gets?:suspicious:
 
Show-me said:
Because I know them and was in the room or area when they network with each other on how to "game" the system.

People that work just enough months to go back on unemployment. People that divorce to increase benefits to the wife and kids with the husband still life at home, not working or looking.

People that claim mental or alcohol related SS disability so they do not have to work.

People that take the food assistance and buy all steaks so they can sell them for cash and buy drugs, cigarettes, and booze. They then go to the food pantries to get more freebies to eat on.

You need to hang with a different class of people to see it or hear about it.;) They don't tell everyone what they are doing and they try to not make it obvious. That is why you see them in this area at 2:00 a.m. doing the buying with a cart FULL of nothing but steaks.

Granted now is different, there are a lot of honest people using the benefit, but in good times the dishonest dominated the system. My biggest point to the food assistance is they should not be allowed to buy steak. Any ground meat will sustain their protein needs. They should only be allowed to buy ground meats and store brand milk, cereals, vegetables, and fruit. Keep it simple and eliminate the fraud. Works for WIC.
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BINGO. You said it much better than I could. I know there are good honest people that are in this position and hating it, I was not talking about them. I guess opinions depend on where in the country you live and with whom you have contact with. That is what makes this topic so explosive.
We, as a nation, have been sold down the river.
 
Always the extreme or sarcasm for you Phil. How about menial task and replace the contract workers for the State and Federal government.

The is a lot of sweeping, cleaning, scrapping, peeling, painting, and trash picking up.

Put them at the end of a weed eater or hand saw mowing a grooming every highway and road in the USA. Save the State workers form having to mow right aways so they can repair roads and bridges instead of contracting it out because they do not have the man power.

If you allow me to become Cesar I will show you the way to make it work.:laugh:
 
I don't have any problem with people receiving government assistance performing work. Other countries do that as well.

The issue in the past has been the labor itself. For many years prisons were not allowed to perform labor, since this was considered illegal. It probably also took jobs away from other people.

Sure, we could simply replace a lot of our federal work force with people on government assistance. This would also drive down the cost of running our government. Good idea.
 
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