Federal taxes lowest since 1950

P.S. oh yeah, don't we have the highest Corporate Taxes in the world?

No.

the lowest rates, of course, are Iceland and Greece. Both fine countries that have wonderful balanced budgets, wouldn't you say?


The U.S. is not the highest at all- it's in the middle of the pack, and it's lower than most as a percentage of GDP.

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And this one:

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Source: Congressional Budget Office.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/69xx/doc6902/11-28-CorporateTax.pdf


Once again you're caught up in a falsity perpetuated by the very, very rich.

No, our corporate taxes are NOT the highest in the world.
 
You can't say taxes are higher. I WISH taxes were higher for the richest- so that we could balance the budget. We need to balance the budget. But as you can see in that $1 million a year income example, taxes are lower today by a long way than they've ever been since before the great depression.

I missed this comment from you in February... I wish I could go find it right now, but I remember reading an article that stated that even if you taxed 100% of the rich's income, you would still not be able to balance the budget.

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CUTTING SPENDING is the only way...

(BTW, if you compared this to your own budget, we wouldn't be having this argument.)

That's why businesses go to Ireland to pay taxes..
BINGO ;)
 
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Hell yes we can.


GE 'zero' US tax furor reignites calls for reform
By Andrew Beatty (AFP) – 16 hours ago

WASHINGTON — Revelations that General Electric paid no US taxes last year, despite bagging a $14 billion profit, have reignited debate in Washington about tightening up corporate levies.

No one, it seems, is very fond of the US corporate tax system.

Businesses bemoan the 35 percent minimum rate that is among the highest in the world, and taxpayers are furious at how easily big firms seem to pay much less.

But in recent months the issue has been overshadowed by multiple global crises and a fierce argument over government spending.

It resurfaced with a bang last week, when it emerged that manufacturing titan GE paid no taxes to the US government in 2010.

"GE did not pay US federal taxes last year because we did not owe any," spokeswoman Anne Eisele told AFP, rejecting suggestions the United States' fourth largest company was gaming the system.

When one of the largest corporations in America and the world, can make a $14 BILLION dollar profit, and pays not a single dime in taxes, we have a major problem.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.34a222e35c6a2e98d03744cee3b43b05.1b1

Where is the alternative minium tax for corporations?

If we have a 10% IMPORT duty on everything imported into this country, and a 10% CASH PENALTY for money flowing OUT of the country-

the national budget would be perfectly balanced.

Hell YES we can tax our way out of this mess. We can and SHOULD tax it on the backs of those who can afford it- (*THE RICH AND THE CORPORATIONS) instead of those who cannot. (Public servants? School Teachers? Give me a firggin break.)
 
GE paid handsomely for all the tax provisions they benefit from. They had to raise the cost of every single product and service in order to raise the money sent to K Street and our United States Senators, Representatives and all their Chiefs of Staff and Committee Professional Staff. Those lunches can be expensive. Those campaign contributions are complicated to arrange .....to get huge sums to fit within those arcane laws with small limits.

It's just too complicated for you to understand. Just accept that all is well and go back to worrying about that 56 year old who can't restrain himself.:rolleyes:
 
Why...did Bush raise corporate tax rates since then?
Obama hasn't raised them.

New enough for me.

But here is a more recent list of worldwide tax revenue of all sources per GDP

Germany............40.6%
France..............46.1%
Japan................27.4%
England.............39.0%
Russia...............36.9%
Switzerland........30.1%
Canada.............33.4%
Australia...........30.5%
Sweden............47.9%


United States....28.2%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP

don't forget (shhh), the nasty VAT !
Can you guess which country listed above doesn't have one?
This should help-
http://www.worldwide-tax.com/#partthree
 
NO JOB TOO BIG, NO JOB TOO SMALL- these major corporations have it all:

1) Exxon Mobil made $19 billion in profits in 2009. Exxon not only paid no federal income taxes, it actually received a $156 million rebate from the IRS, according to its SEC filings.

2) Bank of America received a $1.9 billion tax refund from the IRS last year, although it made $4.4 billion in profits and received a bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department of nearly $1 trillion.

3) Over the past five years, while General Electric made $26 billion in profits in the United States, it paid NO taxes, and even received a $4.1 billion refund from the IRS.

4) Chevron received a $19 million refund from the IRS last year after it made $10 billion in profits in 2009.

5) Boeing, which received a $30 billion contract from the Pentagon to build 179 airborne tankers, got a $124 million refund from the IRS last year.

6) Valero Energy, the 25th largest company in America with $68 billion in sales last year received a $157 million tax refund check from the IRS and, over the past three years, it received a $134 million tax break from the oil and gas manufacturing tax deduction.

7) Goldman Sachs in 2008 only paid 1.1 percent of its income in taxes even though it earned a profit of $2.3 billion and received an almost $800 billion from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury Department.

8) Citigroup last year made more than $4 billion in profits but paid no federal income taxes. It received a $2.5 trillion bailout from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury.

9) ConocoPhillips, the fifth largest oil company in the United States, made $16 billion in profits from 2007 through 2009, but received $451 million in tax breaks through the oil and gas manufacturing deduction.

10) Over the past five years, Carnival Cruise Lines made more than $11 billion in profits, but its federal income tax rate during those years was just 1.1 percent.

We can't tax our way out of the debt problem we have? We haven't even tried.

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=4FFDC95C-A90C-4704-A5E8-90146E826CDA
 
You should watch last Sunday's 60 Minutes. We are driving companies out of the USA. How long will it take for all good industry to relocate to tax friendly countries? About as long as it took for industries to export all of our good skilled labor jobs. Hear that giant sucking sound? Better make our country a place where companies want to set up shop.

Case in point, Caterpillar Inc. (CAT) and the great State of high corporate taxation, no industry, and the second largest budget problem in the USA or AKA Illinois. And, the largest underfunded State pension funding in the nation. :nuts:

http://www.biztimes.com/daily/2011/3/29/wisconsin-reaches-out-to-caterpillar

Wisconin reaches out to Caterpillar

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAna...1852/Caterpillars-Alarm-Bell-For-Illinois.htm

Caterpillar's Alarm Bell For Illinois

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-ne-courtingcaterpill,0,4432608.story

Neb. governor tries to entice Caterpillar to move

http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/app/blogs/eye_on_business/?p=1628
Could Caterpillar end up in metro Sioux City?
 
You should watch last Sunday's 60 Minutes. We are driving companies out of the USA. How long will it take for all good industry to relocate to tax friendly countries?

The gist I took from that was- what empty corporate "offices" were relocating.
Seems like it's the 'ol desire to have the best that money can buy, while not wanting to pay for it.

Maybe ILL. has some more parking meters up their sleeve! :nuts:

CAT - Cry me a river...
Financial Statements for CATERPILLAR INC (CAT)
 
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We can't tax our way out of the debt problem we have? We haven't even tried.

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=4FFDC95C-A90C-4704-A5E8-90146E826CDA

So quit beating a dead horse and abolish all income tax, abolish the IRS, and enact the FairTax System. Corporet taxation is a embeded tax to the consumer.

Everyone, especially the wealthy, get to pay a consumption tax on all those Bentley's, yacht's, airplane's, estates, bling, etc. The income from Rodeo Drive will bring in more tax revenue than you can count. You will never succeed in taxing corporations because of globalization and other countries will offer them a better tax deal like all the States that boarder Illinois are. You keep pissing into the wind and learn nothing.

You can not beat them because they hire more and better lawyers than the government can afford. Corporate lawyer are the best at what they do and why would they work for the government unless they are moles.
 
The gist I took from that was- what empty corporate "offices" were relocating.
Seems like it's the 'ol desire to have the best that money can buy, while not wanting to pay for it.

Maybe ILL. has some more parking meters up their sleeve! :nuts:

Some were empty until they got found out, then they did send their top 10 executive to work there because doing so save the shareholders $2 billion.

Like I said, they will always find a way to get out of paying the high tax.

Make a statement that the BHO administration is going to go to a zero corporate tax and watch corporations run back to the USA and others too. The Swiss tax is 15%, imagine if the corporate tax rate was 0% in the USA. How many foreign companies would come to the USA to save 15% of their profit? That would be GREAT news for the middle class.
 
Some were empty until they got found out, then they did send their top 10 executive to work there because doing so save the shareholders $2 billion.

Like I said, they will always find a way to get out of paying the high tax.

Make a statement that the BHO administration is going to go to a zero corporate tax and watch corporations run back to the USA and others too. The Swiss tax is 15%, imagine if the corporate tax rate was 0% in the USA. How many foreign companies would come to the USA to save 15% of their profit? That would be GREAT news for the middle class.

With that 15% savings do you think the corps would embrace union level (competitive) wages and benefits, pensions that would be there 20-30 years from now, training to develop a skilled workforce that could count on their jobs being there for years, or would the $$ go straight to the officer's bonuses?
 
Show-me says abolish all income tax and enact the FairTax system. And I say from his mouth to God's ear. There is a reason they call it the "FairTax" System.
 
FairTax proposal I read a few years ago suggested would manage to pick up taxes from all the underground economy (read drug trade, etc) when they choose to "consume" some of their ill-gotten gains buying stuff with it. also would encourage companies to come back to the states, provide jobs here-if didn't have to pay corporate taxes-of course if prices of goods and services didn't go down then any tax savings to the company might end up in employees paychecks, no net savings to the company. and FairTax says only pay tax on goods once, resales=no further tax.

yes it might shoot the deficit way high, then again, the math I saw said it would take care of SS shortage right now.

I need to go back and re-read the book again, its been a few years, I've learned a lot since then. I passed book to a friend of mine after first reading it, family trust fund manager. never got feedback from the friend on it, need to check in, see if ever read it, what they thought.
 
With that 15% savings do you think the corps would embrace union level (competitive) wages and benefits, pensions that would be there 20-30 years from now, training to develop a skilled workforce that could count on their jobs being there for years, or would the $$ go straight to the officer's bonuses?

Pensions are a thing of the past, in a few more decades you will be the only one to have one and the rest of the country will only read about it in history books. Save for your own retirement or join the socialist party.

The skilled work force is already here and corps won't have to train no one, votec schools will do it for them and the employee will foot the bill if they want the job.

Officers will get bonuses no matter what because they will find the cheapest labor and lowest tax country or state, mute point. It is what they are hired to do by the shareholders and if they don't do it someone will.
 
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