Facebook (Meta)

Do you think Facebook is overhyped?

  • Yes

    Votes: 45 86.5%
  • No

    Votes: 7 13.5%

  • Total voters
    52
When Bid and Ask prices went back down to almost $38 I put in a market order at Scottrade, thinking my order would be filled immediately at that price. Silly me. Now the price is almost up to $41 and my order isn't showing as filled yet. And since it is a market order I don't have the option to cancel it. It appears that I have made one more tuition payment to Investments University.
Hey S_M. It sounds like this is happening everywhere. I heard folks had "sell at the open" orders and have not received confirmation. It should be interesting to see how it all comes out, but with electronic trading of the Nasdaq, I'll bet it will be OK once they get it settled - except for market orders, of course. :D. kidding.
 
Ironic:

Forming a company whose purpose is to link the world and allow a social entity to exist publicly, enticing 900+ million people to participate, using that 900+million people as a basis to justify worth, having an initial 'public' offering where fewer than .0001% of the people who actually help define a company actually participate as a shareholder.


hmmmm
 
From Scottrade:

Facebook (FB) Orders and Delayed Reports
NASDAQ has reported an issue in which execution reports are delayed for Facebook (FB) orders. This is an industry-wide issue. Scottrade is processing executions back to clients as they are received. Thank you for your patience.
 
Uuuuggghhhhhhhh...

I was hoping for a FaceLift.

The Equity Fund charts look very sad. On the other hand, I think FaceBook will be a good hold. They priced it correctly, the market wasn't frothy, and you have to think they can make money. But, no bump for today - for the reasons noted...
 
Put my limit order in. These are the messages I got from Wells Fargo Advisors:

Attention: Facebook [FB] - NASDAQ is delayed in submitting executions back. Please do not cancel and replace orders for which you are awaiting an execution. Please wait for the execution to show in the system.

Attention:
The only market orders accepted for Facebook today are for sell orders. All other order types for Facebook must be entered as limit orders.
 
When Bid and Ask prices went back down to almost $38 I put in a market order at Scottrade, thinking my order would be filled immediately at that price. Silly me. Now the price is almost up to $41 and my order isn't showing as filled yet. And since it is a market order I don't have the option to cancel it. It appears that I have made one more tuition payment to Investments University.

My market order filled at $40.01.
 
Somewhere just north of 432,000,000 shares have traded hands today in Facebook so far. 432 million shares.


I wonder if that was really just one million shares being traded 432 times so far today.

Psss....t...... Do you wanna buy some shares of this here stock I got tucked away?
 
Statement of Senator Carl Levin (MI) , yesterday, about FACEBOOK IPO
Mr. President, tomorrow will be a day in tax history - when Facebook goes public, it will get a $16 billion tax deduction, which is the largest tax deduction ever taken by any corporation exploiting the stock option tax loophole.

Facebook's recent filings in anticipation of its upcoming stock offering provide new facts about its plans to use stock option tax deductions, not only to help it avoid future taxes for years and years to come, but to get a refund of taxes it's already paid.

Facebook's recent registration statement shows that, due to hundreds of millions of stock options handed out to its founders and top executives, it plans to claim stock option tax deductions worth a whopping $16 billion. That's more than twice as much as estimates a few months ago, and many, many times larger than the stock option expenses shown on Facebook's ledgers.

Facebook is a booming, successful company. Its securities filing boasts of double-digit increases in Facebook's average revenue per user, citing a 32 percent increase in 2010, and another 25 percent increase in 2011, with "growth across all regions." Despite trumpeting those revenue increases to investors, Facebook is planning at the same time to tell Uncle Sam it has no taxable income, offsetting its revenues with stock option tax deductions.

Facebook's $16 billion stock option tax deduction is so huge, it will enable Facebook to claim a $500 million refund of taxes paid over the prior two years and wipe out this year's tax bill. The company says it will also use its deduction to create a "net operating loss" that can be used to eliminate its profits and its taxes for up to 20 years into the future.

As with so much of our tax code, it's not the law-breaking that shocks the conscience, it's the stuff that's allowed. For years, my Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations has identified this stock option tax loophole and tried to explain its cost, its unfairness, and why the loophole should be closed. Facebook's $16 billion tax deduction brings the issue into sharp focus.

This profitable corporation will stop paying any federal corporate income taxes, simply because it gave hundreds of millions of stock options to its executives. It will go from a corporate citizen that paid its taxes, to one that not only pays no taxes to Uncle Sam on its profits, but gets a tax refund.

Some Facebook defenders claim the company's nonpayment of taxes is offset by the taxes paid by its executives. But first of all, Facebook demands and receives government services that its executives don't - from patent protection to cybersecurity to trade enforcement.

Second, the fact that executives pay taxes doesn't mean corporations shouldn't pay taxes. Facebook should be paying its fair share, and it's only through a tax loophole that it won't be. Adding insult to injury is that one of its founders recently renounced his U.S. citizenship just to avoid paying his taxes.

Facebook is an American success story. Its ability to use a stock option loophole to zero out its U.S. tax bill, despite ample profits, makes no sense. It also isn't fair to the rest of American taxpayers who will have to pay more because Facebook pays nothing.

In these tough economic times, Congress needs to make choices about where to spend taxpayer dollars. The stock option tax deduction, as demonstrated by Facebook, fuels excessive executive pay, shifts the tax burden from corporations to other taxpayers, and enables profitable corporations to get out of paying a dime toward the country that helped make their success possible.

What could our nation do with the billions of dollars it will lose when Facebook uses the stock-option loophole? Well, we could reduce the federal deficit. Or we could pay for programs to help kids go to college, or programs that protect our seniors and veterans, put cops on the beat, or teachers in classrooms.

The stock-option loophole should have been closed long before Facebook's stock option bonanza. But surely the case of Facebook illustrates to the Senate, to the Congress, and to the American people why we should close this loophole. If Congress were to enact the Levin-Sherrod Brown bill, S. 1375, it would close an unjustified corporate tax loophole that boosts executive pay at the expense of everybody else. -

Sen. Carl Levin, 5/17/2012
 
Still no confirmation from Scottrade that my FB trade was filled, despite it trading $1 under my bid price earlier. This reminds me of the days prior to online trading.
Well, well, well. I just checked my Scottrade account. No order filled. No pending orders. These things rarely work out but for some reason no one wanted my bid of $39 during the day. So, I just bought after hours for $38.28.
 
Well, well, well. I just checked my Scottrade account. No order filled. No pending orders. These things rarely work out but for some reason no one wanted my bid of $39 during the day. So, I just bought after hours for $38.28.

If Google is/was any indication, you should see the pop in FB on Monday and/or Tuesday. But you already knew that. ;)
 
If Google is/was any indication, you should see the pop in FB on Monday and/or Tuesday. But you already knew that. ;)
I actually remember that. The IPO was $85 and I wasn't able to get in until about $100. It dropped back toward $85 and I think I sold it when it got back to $100 or $105. A couple of months later, after it reported its 1st earnings report, it was $200. :sick:
 
Still no confirmation from Scottrade that my FB trade was filled, despite it trading $1 under my bid price earlier. This reminds me of the days prior to online trading.

Well, well, well. I just checked my Scottrade account. No order filled. No pending orders. These things rarely work out but for some reason no one wanted my bid of $39 during the day. So, I just bought after hours for $38.28.

Doh! At 7:03 AM this morning (Saturday) I got a trade confirmation that I actually did buy Facebook on Friday - in that first order:

Scottrade, Inc.
Intra-Day Trade Notification - May 19, 2012
Dear Client:
RE Account: *****
Trade Type: BUY
Security Symbol: FB
Quantity: 1000
Price: $38.019

Great price, and I have no idea how I could have gotten it basically at the day's low bid, but now, because I didn't think this first order went thru, I own twice as much as I wanted. As long as it doesn't go below the IPO price I'm fine, but I may have to hold for 3 days because of the 3-day settlement rule in my IRA. :sick:

I can imagine this is going to be a widespread problem because of the poor reporting of these trades yesterday.
 
You should have invested in Apple. Have you seen the new app for the ipad?

Ipad beer. Featured at Munich's Hofbrau house:


If that doesn't kick facebook's butt, I don't know what will.

Applebeer. There's an app for that.
 
General Motors says it's stopping all facebook advertising.
Old news (last week) - aleady priced in. But I see it's trading below the IPO price pre-hours. Could have something to do with the disaster the Nasdaq had with FB orders on Friday. Many stories like mine above.
 
Where is the floor. They are done supporting it. I think when the dust settles 31 to 37 trading range is about right. Time will tell.
 
Old news (last week) - aleady priced in. But I see it's trading below the IPO price pre-hours. Could have something to do with the disaster the Nasdaq had with FB orders on Friday. Many stories like mine above.

Yep- I am sure there are a lot of stories like your story - filling orders twice, etc.
May you find solace in knowing you are not alone.

Good luck!


Still, it's traded 122 million shares today alone. That's still a very, very active stock. Hope it settles down and works out for you favorably.
 
Thanks. Well, it doesn't look like it is going to hit $50 during the first week, like I had thought (although we do have 3 more days... :)) but being a trader of TNA, TNZ, FAS and FAZ, this drawdown isn't all that bad yet.

The trouble is my double fill on the order, and the fact that this trade may turn into a longer hold than I would have wanted. My average price is $38.15 so I'm not dead yet. The other problem is, today's gap down makes $38 a tough nut to crack on the way back up. All of the IPO buyers are stuck and may sell once they get even.

I sold Google a few days after its IPO and regretted it. I just don't know if I have it in me to hold long-term - especially since the world is going bancrupt. :)
 
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