F Fund low?

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Yeah you did, but at the time the fund didn't look to have any rebound potential at the time......After Coolhand brought it up again I could see a possiblity but it will depend on the future energy costs.....it costs stay put or go upits inflationary....don't go F fund, if energy cost goes down....then no inflationary pressure....go F fund....

Sorry there Vec....

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If you have plans to play in the water with the F fund, may I suggest it would be a good idea to purchase a buoyancy compensator. It makes treading water a lot easier and maybe the bond vigilante sharks won't realize you are there. But if you can swim like Teddy you can get out alive.

Dennis
 
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After some relative data review and newer analysis I would agree with the bonds flying....

Looking forward to seeing the F fund outperform the G for a while....

Boy have I been missing the boat lately....but I have been making some changes in analysis and hopefully will get in sync soon.....

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I made .05/share on bonds in I think 3 or 4 days but I'm in I now, I feel that Ifund and possibly S will get their much do 5-10% gain before January. Just look at the last 2 years, Santa run from Nov-Jan.
 
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By some very recent analysis, I believe the I fund has been played out and is on a downtrend....due to conversion of $ and other economics....but of course we could have a mid term recovery......

S fund really does look good for some more return for sometime....C fund is good for shorter period also...but doesn't give as large of a return...

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Question: G is paying 11.11 each day until the rate goes up to 11.12, (12/5 per The Technician)and marches on.

F fund is paying 10.62, varies each day by only a very few cents - I don't see that it has ever reached the G fund's value.

What is the allure of F that we would think about doing that??? If F gets down , say $99 or less, enough to be interesting, will it rise high enough. quick enough to outdo the G at any point, to be worth knowingly losingcash?

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Am I missing something here? If I have 100 shares in G I am getting 111.10, if it is in F I am getting 106.2 - is this not correct?

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The F moves with bonds. If we have a large bond selloff or trend, F will fly. Also, most of the time but not as a rule, when the market is in a downtrend or significant uptrend, we see the buying up of bonds. This gives the F momentum.
 
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Well Grandma...if you look at the F fund in its recent upcycle, it has returned over 4% in two months....28 March to 2Jun 2005....itlooks to be in that type of upcycle again and I fully expect it to perform in similar fashion.....;)

Now if you look at it over longer terms, the G fund outperforms the F fund.....you right about that.....:^

The trick is to invest in the F fund in its upcycle....seeing that the Feds will likely get inflation under control sometime in the next 6 months or so, the F fund looks even more enticing....:^

And don't get so trigger happy with that S fund right away...I fully expect the S fund to drop some more before we see any recovery....and then we should get a decent ride in the S or C funds....but keep in mind, the S fund has recently be returning more than the C fund of late....

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I respectfully disagree with you Tech. I think that we will not see a significant drop in S and C funds. I think there will be very little breathing room (1 or 2 days at a time) between now and the new year. This is the uptrend santa run and there will be no significant down "trend".

Furthermore, I think we will see some "mass reaction" LOL, in the I fund before things settle. There might be a chance here to hop trains and I think its worth taking. Time will certainly tell.
 
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Soldat wrote: ...F will fly.

The Technician wrote:
if you look at the F fund in its recent upcycle, it has returned over 4% in two months....28 March to 2Jun 2005....itlooks to be in that type of upcycle again and I fully expect it to perform in similar fashion.....;)
The trick is to invest in the F fund in its upcycle....seeing that the Feds will likely get inflation under control sometime in the next 6 months or so, the F fund looks even more enticing....:^
so - you are saying you do expectF at some point in timto pay back more than the G - ?? The percent it increases, seems to me, is relevant only if it begins to look as tho it will put more into my fund than the G, concurrently.

I am questioning my actions in the past where I have gone to F, probably inappropriately.

??? still some :?

Thank you guys for yourreplies -
 
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The F fund has returned .7351% in the last 21 days....1.36% in the last 12....that certainly beats the G fund....

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If the FOMC raises by a 1/4 point next Tues, how will that most likely effect the F Fund?

Dell
 
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Nightmover wrote:
If the FOMC raises by a 1/4 point next Tues, how will that most likely effect the F Fund?

Dell

The 1/4 is already expected. What bond investors are looking for is a change in the wording of the statement.

Language
Gains this week were fueled in part by speculation that Fed policy makers will alter the language of their post-meeting statement next week to suggest the series of rate increases is near an end, CSFB's Li said.
The odds that the Fed will raise the fed funds target at each of its next three meetings slipped to 56 percent yesterday from 66 percent a week earlier. April futures on the federal funds rate yielded 4.64 percent, pricing in 14 of the 25 basis points by which the April rate would rise if the central bank were to raise the target to 4.50 on Jan. 31 and 4.75 on March 28. A week earlier the contract yielded 4.665 percent.
``If the Fed keeps the language unchanged, there could be some selloff,'' especially in shorter-maturity Treasury notes, Li said.
Minutes of the central bank's Nov. 1 meeting showed some policy makers were concerned about the ``risks of going too far'' with rates and discussed the need to change their outlook ``before long.'' Since May 2004, Fed statements announcing its decisions on rates have said policy makers expect to raise rates at a ``measured'' pace.

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The whole fixed income world would like to see rates go higher - especially retirees sitting in CDs. So it becomes a trade off sacrifice, because higher rates interfere with business capital expenditures and economic growth. I think they finally change the wording and we'll all be happy and the bull market will continue. A lot of retirement plans will benefit from the coming economic growth. Probably even the PBGC.
 
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