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Dave's Account Talk
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In order not to clutter my returns page, I'll just note here that in 1997 I borrowed a little from my account. I paid it back over four years, so from 1997 to 2000 inclusive the percent change in account value will be contaminated by these pay-backs. For instance that 29% change in value for 1999 looks great, butpart of it is due to repayments.
For this reason the numbers for 2001-2-3-4 are more representative. They show a steady 17-18-19% increase, with my contributions remainingfairly steadyat 1/3 of the total.
The dollar-value of my contributions has changed over time, and of course my G-F-C-S-I fund allocations have changed too, but the percentages remain fairly steady, don't they. Interesting.
At home I have a graph showing the account over time. Using basic curve-fitting techniques I have derived equations for three different time periods, the early middle and recent domains. Theseshow the linearchange, althoughexpressed in raw dollars sonot includedhere.To "sanitize" them, I will have to re-scale ornormalize them.
I hit The Wall in 2010 which is my planned retirement year. I extrapolated my line of best fit to that time to arrive at an estimate of the value of the account, under the present return scenario. (This compares closely with the result I get at the TSP returns calculator.) Then I constructed a "high" scenario which would intercept 2010 at a higher value, and carried it back to the present. The slope of this new line represents the returns I must get in order to achieve that "high" result.
Given the returns of the last two years, if continued, I will cross over to the "High Line" within two more years (2007), and hence exceed the "High" result by 2010.This sort of calculation shows me I am on a very good track and I should be happy with my 18%.
Dave
In order not to clutter my returns page, I'll just note here that in 1997 I borrowed a little from my account. I paid it back over four years, so from 1997 to 2000 inclusive the percent change in account value will be contaminated by these pay-backs. For instance that 29% change in value for 1999 looks great, butpart of it is due to repayments.
For this reason the numbers for 2001-2-3-4 are more representative. They show a steady 17-18-19% increase, with my contributions remainingfairly steadyat 1/3 of the total.
The dollar-value of my contributions has changed over time, and of course my G-F-C-S-I fund allocations have changed too, but the percentages remain fairly steady, don't they. Interesting.
At home I have a graph showing the account over time. Using basic curve-fitting techniques I have derived equations for three different time periods, the early middle and recent domains. Theseshow the linearchange, althoughexpressed in raw dollars sonot includedhere.To "sanitize" them, I will have to re-scale ornormalize them.
I hit The Wall in 2010 which is my planned retirement year. I extrapolated my line of best fit to that time to arrive at an estimate of the value of the account, under the present return scenario. (This compares closely with the result I get at the TSP returns calculator.) Then I constructed a "high" scenario which would intercept 2010 at a higher value, and carried it back to the present. The slope of this new line represents the returns I must get in order to achieve that "high" result.
Given the returns of the last two years, if continued, I will cross over to the "High Line" within two more years (2007), and hence exceed the "High" result by 2010.This sort of calculation shows me I am on a very good track and I should be happy with my 18%.
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The last two days have me trepidatious. This evening I parked it 100% in G and will wait and see for a week. I only lost a few thousand, still plenty of profit left to protect.
The market needs to settle down, or maybe just receive some good news. I don't see a great big upswing, so I won'tmissthe big opportunity. I just want to stop the bleeding for now.
Dave
The last two days have me trepidatious. This evening I parked it 100% in G and will wait and see for a week. I only lost a few thousand, still plenty of profit left to protect.
The market needs to settle down, or maybe just receive some good news. I don't see a great big upswing, so I won'tmissthe big opportunity. I just want to stop the bleeding for now.
Dave
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In the last seven tradingdays,the 6th through the 14th, even though the market has been kind of erratic the funds have shown a net increase. This tells me that I should not try so hard! Getting cute and going all-G in hopes of avoiding a loss cost me a few $$.
Therefore I am going back to my intended distribution for the next six months or so: 40G 30C 30S -- 60% in the market. I'll never reach my goal if I stay away.
I will do thistomorrow but it will not be acted upon until Tuesday and will probably take effect Wednesday. Then I am going to pay very little attention to the day-to-day market!
In the last seven tradingdays,the 6th through the 14th, even though the market has been kind of erratic the funds have shown a net increase. This tells me that I should not try so hard! Getting cute and going all-G in hopes of avoiding a loss cost me a few $$.
Therefore I am going back to my intended distribution for the next six months or so: 40G 30C 30S -- 60% in the market. I'll never reach my goal if I stay away.
I will do thistomorrow but it will not be acted upon until Tuesday and will probably take effect Wednesday. Then I am going to pay very little attention to the day-to-day market!
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I contribute 14% of my salary to the TSP at present. In April at the next -- and last -- Open Season I am going to boost that to 15%. Then I am going to wait a couple months to see how my personal economy is doing. If all is well, I am going to get into Catch-Up Contributions as I am over 50.
Counting the 15%, the5% match, and the catch-up, they alladd up to about25% of my base pay which isalso about 12% of my fund balance. (Right now my fund balance is equal to about 2 years base pay.)
My goal for the year is a 25% increase in the fund balance. I'm shooting high! That means I need a return of 13% on the total invested. The40G I intend to maintain will give about 2% (5% times 0.4 = 2%) That means the 60% in the market must do the heavy lifting.
After 12% contributions and 2% G-earnings, that leaves11% to be earned by the 60% of my fund balance which is in the market. To do this, the C and S funds will need to increase by 18% on the calandar year (18% times 0.6 = 11%).
18% is well within the range of annual increases shown by these two funds. It would be a good year for all of us if it came out that way! Half that would still be very nice.
Dave
I contribute 14% of my salary to the TSP at present. In April at the next -- and last -- Open Season I am going to boost that to 15%. Then I am going to wait a couple months to see how my personal economy is doing. If all is well, I am going to get into Catch-Up Contributions as I am over 50.
Counting the 15%, the5% match, and the catch-up, they alladd up to about25% of my base pay which isalso about 12% of my fund balance. (Right now my fund balance is equal to about 2 years base pay.)
My goal for the year is a 25% increase in the fund balance. I'm shooting high! That means I need a return of 13% on the total invested. The40G I intend to maintain will give about 2% (5% times 0.4 = 2%) That means the 60% in the market must do the heavy lifting.
After 12% contributions and 2% G-earnings, that leaves11% to be earned by the 60% of my fund balance which is in the market. To do this, the C and S funds will need to increase by 18% on the calandar year (18% times 0.6 = 11%).
18% is well within the range of annual increases shown by these two funds. It would be a good year for all of us if it came out that way! Half that would still be very nice.
Dave
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When I went to Employee Express today, I saw I was already at 15%, waddya know. I guess I changed that a while back but it only now kicked in. So I went ahead and implemented catch-up contributions, $150 per pay period which will add up to something just shy of the $4000 annual maximum allowed.
Then I went to TSP and restored my 40-30-30allocations. So I am openfor business tomorrow!
Dave
When I went to Employee Express today, I saw I was already at 15%, waddya know. I guess I changed that a while back but it only now kicked in. So I went ahead and implemented catch-up contributions, $150 per pay period which will add up to something just shy of the $4000 annual maximum allowed.
Then I went to TSP and restored my 40-30-30allocations. So I am openfor business tomorrow!
Dave
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Dave a better ideal with the catchup money might be to open a roth account ?
I just belive I will be in a higher tax bracket when I retire,and would like that extra roth tax free money .... Ask a FPlaner in your local area for advice....You might want to invest some of the extra $$$$ in realestate...
JMHO
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Dave a better ideal with the catchup money might be to open a roth account ?
I just belive I will be in a higher tax bracket when I retire,and would like that extra roth tax free money .... Ask a FPlaner in your local area for advice....You might want to invest some of the extra $$$$ in realestate...
JMHO
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Thanks for reading, Skip. You must have a real bundle in the TSP if you think you will have more income after you retire than now!
My calculation goes something like this. I take the basic FERS annuity, years of service times estimated high three;add to it 5% of my projected TSP balance -- an amount which oughtto be about equal to the fund's earnings and which would therefore leave the principle intact; and then take a wag at what SS will be. (SS is only partly taxable, remember.) These add up to about 80% of my current base pay.
On this basis I should still be in the samemarginal bracketwhere I am at present. The assumption is that the tax code remains essentially unaltered, and who knows about that? Anything is possible! SoI am content to defer the taxes today -- take the sure thing -- and meanwhile work as hard as I can at increasing my fund balance which is my only real means of affecting that 80% figure.
I am currently invested in real estate here in the Keys, which is unlike any market I have ever heard of. My home tripled in value withinfive years of buying it. For every thousand I pay in I get two thousand back; I feel like I am making deposits in a saving account,not making mortgage payments! But I am reluctant to figure it as an asset in my retirement economy. In the end, I think an equity line of credit maybe the easiest way to get my hands on some of that dough, heh.
Dave
Thanks for reading, Skip. You must have a real bundle in the TSP if you think you will have more income after you retire than now!
My calculation goes something like this. I take the basic FERS annuity, years of service times estimated high three;add to it 5% of my projected TSP balance -- an amount which oughtto be about equal to the fund's earnings and which would therefore leave the principle intact; and then take a wag at what SS will be. (SS is only partly taxable, remember.) These add up to about 80% of my current base pay.
On this basis I should still be in the samemarginal bracketwhere I am at present. The assumption is that the tax code remains essentially unaltered, and who knows about that? Anything is possible! SoI am content to defer the taxes today -- take the sure thing -- and meanwhile work as hard as I can at increasing my fund balance which is my only real means of affecting that 80% figure.
I am currently invested in real estate here in the Keys, which is unlike any market I have ever heard of. My home tripled in value withinfive years of buying it. For every thousand I pay in I get two thousand back; I feel like I am making deposits in a saving account,not making mortgage payments! But I am reluctant to figure it as an asset in my retirement economy. In the end, I think an equity line of credit maybe the easiest way to get my hands on some of that dough, heh.
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Hi Mr P. As I implied with "mortgage payments" etc, my investment is my home.
I have lived in KW just about six years. When I moved herethe max loan amount for which I was qualifiedenabled me to purchase a small town home in a 4-plex. Six years later my income is up about 50% but the max loan amount for which I would qualify today would cover only about 50% of the market price of my own home. Get it?
In other words I caught the wave at just the last possibletime. New guys in our office are priced out, so they must rent. It's a problem.
If you can get up the down, I would recommend investing in a second home here, a condo perhaps. Taxes are low but insurance is high. Rent it and it will practically sustain itself, then it will be there for you when you want it. Hell, there are lots of people heremakingtheir livingflipping real estate. Buy -- rent it out for a year -- sell and make 25%. It is a full time job though, and I have a full time job of course. (My own feeling is I have the best job in KW: weather forecaster.)
There are two options as I see it. I can sell, make a nice capital gain, then move somewhere else where housing is more affordable. ("Back home") Or I can stay here in paradise but in that case how do I make good on a gain which exists only on paper?
Dave
Hi Mr P. As I implied with "mortgage payments" etc, my investment is my home.
I have lived in KW just about six years. When I moved herethe max loan amount for which I was qualifiedenabled me to purchase a small town home in a 4-plex. Six years later my income is up about 50% but the max loan amount for which I would qualify today would cover only about 50% of the market price of my own home. Get it?
In other words I caught the wave at just the last possibletime. New guys in our office are priced out, so they must rent. It's a problem.
If you can get up the down, I would recommend investing in a second home here, a condo perhaps. Taxes are low but insurance is high. Rent it and it will practically sustain itself, then it will be there for you when you want it. Hell, there are lots of people heremakingtheir livingflipping real estate. Buy -- rent it out for a year -- sell and make 25%. It is a full time job though, and I have a full time job of course. (My own feeling is I have the best job in KW: weather forecaster.)
There are two options as I see it. I can sell, make a nice capital gain, then move somewhere else where housing is more affordable. ("Back home") Or I can stay here in paradise but in that case how do I make good on a gain which exists only on paper?
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There is another way to increasethe 80% figure I mentioned above but it means working two more years. I will qualify for immediate retirement in 2010 when I reach age 60. If I wait until age 62 then I will have the two additional years of service, a 7% increase; the multiplier goes up from 1.0% to 1.1%; my high three will advance 5-7%;and I will have had two more years for growth in the TSP. That all adds up to about a 25% increase inmy projected bottom line and will makeit not 80% of my current pay but 80% of my then-current pay, up in2012.
I will have to wait and see on that. Twoyears is a heavy burden but they will be my most remunerative years by far. It will be a difficult choice. To make it easier I'm shoveling as much money into the future as I can, into the TSP. If I have a million bucks, I'm outta here!
Dave
There is another way to increasethe 80% figure I mentioned above but it means working two more years. I will qualify for immediate retirement in 2010 when I reach age 60. If I wait until age 62 then I will have the two additional years of service, a 7% increase; the multiplier goes up from 1.0% to 1.1%; my high three will advance 5-7%;and I will have had two more years for growth in the TSP. That all adds up to about a 25% increase inmy projected bottom line and will makeit not 80% of my current pay but 80% of my then-current pay, up in2012.
I will have to wait and see on that. Twoyears is a heavy burden but they will be my most remunerative years by far. It will be a difficult choice. To make it easier I'm shoveling as much money into the future as I can, into the TSP. If I have a million bucks, I'm outta here!
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A million bucks, that'll be the day. Not in this market.
But I just went to the TSP site and looked at share prices back as far as their display would go. In June '03 all funds had prices about equal at $10. So you look at their prices today 20 months later and you can see immediately their relative performance. In the short term some go up, some go down; but over time they are all up. Even the F fund is finally showing signs of life.
This really emphasises the benefit of a balanced allocation across all the funds. Okay, not so much the F fund maybe.
So today I am allocating a hypothetical 40 grand as follows: 25I 25S 25C for 75%, and then splitting the other 25% into 13G 12F.
Share prices are 10.74G 10.46F 12.83C 14.47S 15.65I. I have 10,000 in each account except 5,000 each in G and F.
I will come back in a week and see how it looks. Right now I am 100G, watching and waiting.
Dave
A million bucks, that'll be the day. Not in this market.
But I just went to the TSP site and looked at share prices back as far as their display would go. In June '03 all funds had prices about equal at $10. So you look at their prices today 20 months later and you can see immediately their relative performance. In the short term some go up, some go down; but over time they are all up. Even the F fund is finally showing signs of life.
This really emphasises the benefit of a balanced allocation across all the funds. Okay, not so much the F fund maybe.
So today I am allocating a hypothetical 40 grand as follows: 25I 25S 25C for 75%, and then splitting the other 25% into 13G 12F.
Share prices are 10.74G 10.46F 12.83C 14.47S 15.65I. I have 10,000 in each account except 5,000 each in G and F.
I will come back in a week and see how it looks. Right now I am 100G, watching and waiting.
Dave
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Here is my calculation.
At close today prices were 10.76G 10.42F 12.86C 14.52S 15.85I. Forty thousandinvested as follows gives returns:
An allocation of 100G returned $74.48.
An allocation spread evenly across the fundsreturned $175.91 thanks mostly to the I.
The message is pretty clear. It is time for me to get back to my game plan for the year. Sometime before noon today I plan onallocating 40G 20C 20S 20I, unless the numbers are strongly down at that time, in which case I will await developments.
Dave
Here is my calculation.
At close today prices were 10.76G 10.42F 12.86C 14.52S 15.85I. Forty thousandinvested as follows gives returns:
An allocation of 100G returned $74.48.
An allocation spread evenly across the fundsreturned $175.91 thanks mostly to the I.
The message is pretty clear. It is time for me to get back to my game plan for the year. Sometime before noon today I plan onallocating 40G 20C 20S 20I, unless the numbers are strongly down at that time, in which case I will await developments.
Dave
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Yesterday worked out very well. Finally I made a move in the correct direction! That 1% gain puts me back even for the quarter thus far, right where I started on Jan 1. It also gives me confidence and now I feel I can cease to check stocks every day. I'll check back in next Saturday. Good luck everyone.
Dave
Yesterday worked out very well. Finally I made a move in the correct direction! That 1% gain puts me back even for the quarter thus far, right where I started on Jan 1. It also gives me confidence and now I feel I can cease to check stocks every day. I'll check back in next Saturday. Good luck everyone.
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As I am 40G 20C 20S 20I, I am evenly invested across the three funds. That means I can use the sum of the three indices C+S+I as my own index. When I bought on Mar 2 the sum stood at 43.39
It has been a wild week. At close today I stood at 43.33, down .06. But the G-fund went up a penny which is worth .02 because of the weighting. So I am down a net .04 which is about 1 part in 1000 of the index.
It is going to be very difficult to show much growth this quarter. The market seems fixated on oil -- when oil rises equities fall. Yet it seems to me that after a while we'll all get used to more expensive oil and gasoline, and move on from there. (It has been well above $2.00 on this island for months.)
So I intend to stay the course for another week. Good luck everybody!
Dave
As I am 40G 20C 20S 20I, I am evenly invested across the three funds. That means I can use the sum of the three indices C+S+I as my own index. When I bought on Mar 2 the sum stood at 43.39
It has been a wild week. At close today I stood at 43.33, down .06. But the G-fund went up a penny which is worth .02 because of the weighting. So I am down a net .04 which is about 1 part in 1000 of the index.
It is going to be very difficult to show much growth this quarter. The market seems fixated on oil -- when oil rises equities fall. Yet it seems to me that after a while we'll all get used to more expensive oil and gasoline, and move on from there. (It has been well above $2.00 on this island for months.)
So I intend to stay the course for another week. Good luck everybody!
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Dave M wrote:
Dave M wrote:
I hear the ExxonMobile CEO saidthat the only reason oilis$55 a barrel is because of speculation. The "analysts" who are saying buy oil stocks because it is going to $80 a barrel are probably the same ones who told us to buy Amazon and Yahoo! for $400 a share in 2000.
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Hello Dave M!
Thanks for the insite on your allocations over the years when it comes to the TSP. I've only been in this since July of 04' and I must say that I've learned quit a bit from this site itself. I seperate from the military in a few months and I think that I'll have to roll my TSP funds into something (probably my Roth IRA for 06).
Here is a great book by an author whom has studied IRA's for over 20 years and from what I have heard is the best around. Check it out at your local Barnes & Noble.
"Parlay your IRA into Family Fortune"
Good Luck,
Charlie
Hello Dave M!
Thanks for the insite on your allocations over the years when it comes to the TSP. I've only been in this since July of 04' and I must say that I've learned quit a bit from this site itself. I seperate from the military in a few months and I think that I'll have to roll my TSP funds into something (probably my Roth IRA for 06).
Here is a great book by an author whom has studied IRA's for over 20 years and from what I have heard is the best around. Check it out at your local Barnes & Noble.
"Parlay your IRA into Family Fortune"
Good Luck,
Charlie
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CFenton1982 wrote:
Sorry Charlie, I don't think that you can transfer your TSP funds directly into a Roth.
CFenton1982 wrote:
Sorry Charlie, I don't think that you can transfer your TSP funds directly into a Roth.
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A Roth, no, because itis tax-paid and the other is tax-deferred. In my case it is a traditional IRA.
I am toying with the following: maintaining my overall market committmentbut adjusting from time to time the individual fund allocations in favor of the best performer at the time. Since Mar 2nd the I fund is up slightly while the others are down slightly. So why notchange from 40G 20C 20S 20I to 40G 15C 15S 30I.
I will look in Monday morning, If the S&P is up a bunch I will let it ride. If another fall is in progress, I will switch. If it is neutral, I will shrug, wait. I'lllet Fate decide.
Dave
A Roth, no, because itis tax-paid and the other is tax-deferred. In my case it is a traditional IRA.
I am toying with the following: maintaining my overall market committmentbut adjusting from time to time the individual fund allocations in favor of the best performer at the time. Since Mar 2nd the I fund is up slightly while the others are down slightly. So why notchange from 40G 20C 20S 20I to 40G 15C 15S 30I.
I will look in Monday morning, If the S&P is up a bunch I will let it ride. If another fall is in progress, I will switch. If it is neutral, I will shrug, wait. I'lllet Fate decide.
Dave
