COVID EO

[FireWeatherMet]

This will not hold up, and will be challenged in court - but it will be fait accompli.

Without passing judgement on the value of the COVID-19 shot (I got mine, so that is where I stand), nor passing judgement on the validity of the Federal Government enforcing the mandate via OSHA and other regulatory means, I can say that companies will use the mandate as cover to force their employees to get the shot. They will just say in their best 1968 Hippie Accent - 'Man, the system made me do it...'. You do know that the 1968 hippies are now 'The System' don't you:laugh:.

Folks will get the shot before they lose their job. Also, they will prefer the shot to getting cotton swabs stuffed up their nose and into their brain cavities on a weekly basis. In the end, enough folks will get jabbed that we will get herd immunity.

I'm just kinda hoping that the Gubmint and the private sector will be smart enough not to force this on the millions of folks who survived COVID but never got the shot - why should they bother with the shot.

Just a question on the "legality" of mandating Covid vaccination.
If its long been legal to mandate it for medical workers and teachers for regular flu shots, what's the legal challenge to the now fully FDA approved Pfizer vaccine (and likely Moderna in a few weeks will get full FDA approval).
Especially during a Pandemic thats killed nearly 700,000 Americans...as opposed to the regular flu

 

[Boghie]

Just a question on the "legality" of mandating Covid vaccination.
If its long been legal to mandate it for medical workers and teachers for regular flu shots, what's the legal challenge to the now fully FDA approved Pfizer vaccine (and likely Moderna in a few weeks will get full FDA approval).
Especially during a Pandemic thats killed nearly 700,000 Americans...as opposed to the regular flu

The Federal Gubmint does not mandate flu shots for the private sector.
However, entities in the private sector can and do as a condition of employment. Or, in some cases lawyers for those entities do - to avoid avoidable litigation.

The only good to happen by this 'mandate' is that businesses 'can' mandate the vaccine - and point to the evil Feds for the requirement. I don't think that was the intent, but that will be the reality. The legality of a Federal mandate enforced by unelected regulatory means will be tested way out there in the future - and, hopefully the Supreme Court will clank it out. Nobody wants politicians or regulatory agencies led by political appointees to force Americans to inject themselves with the next best thing as defined by some politicians. Who knows who will get elected and make those choices. Then again, we cannot count on the Supreme Court, so...

 

[FireWeatherMet]

The Federal Gubmint does not mandate flu shots for the private sector.
However, entities in the private sector can and do as a condition of employment. Or, in some cases lawyers for those entities do - to avoid avoidable litigation.

The only good to happen by this 'mandate' is that businesses 'can' mandate the vaccine - and point to the evil Feds for the requirement. I don't think that was the intent, but that will be the reality. The legality of a Federal mandate enforced by unelected regulatory means will be tested way out there in the future - and, hopefully the Supreme Court will clank it out. Nobody wants politicians or regulatory agencies led by political appointees to force Americans to inject themselves with the next best thing as defined by some politicians. Who knows who will get elected and make those choices. Then again, we cannot count on the Supreme Court, so...

The "Evil Feds"...seriously??

The Gov't CAN do a broad range of measures during National Emergencies. Like during war (mandatory Draft, recruiting private industry for war production, issuing Martial Law) just to name a few.
We haven't had a pandemic on this scale in over a century...but the Supreme Court did in fact establish that the Gov't can issue vaccine mandates during emergencies.
For the most part, state gov't took the lead, making mandates for smallpox and polio, which is why we eradicated those diseases....because all states participated.
If a handful of states don't make vaccine mandates, the end result would certainly be that the virus would continue to mutate and spread...so good luck on not having the Fed Gov't at some point force the hand of any rouge states that would go against the mandate.

https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-vaccine-supreme-court

 

[Bullitt]

Not federal workers here, but something to think about. I'm sure the same law will be in effect for federal workers too.

New York will not extend unemployment benefits to most unvaccinated healthcare workers who are fired over the vaccine mandate.

New York Governor Kathy Hochul is ready to call in the National Guard in case of shortages of healthcare workers caused by the mandate.

https://www.businessinsider.com/new...t-insurance-healthcare-vaccine-mandate-2021-9

Any sector that loses employees will be increased stress for everyone else. Increased overtime will just make even more people miserable. Maybe we should just all stop working and have the national guard do our work. They're already doing school bus driver duties in some parts of the US.

 

[rangerray]

The principles that made this country great have not changed, but so many are choosing to disregard those principles. If Freedom and Liberty are infringed upon, we all suffer in some way. I shutter to think so many have forgotten this and am just dumbfounded that more and more apparently never knew. What we have is ours to lose.


Scott Harrison
Senatobia, MS

 

[Boghie]

The "Evil Feds"...seriously??

The Gov't CAN do a broad range of measures during National Emergencies. Like during war (mandatory Draft, recruiting private industry for war production, issuing Martial Law) just to name a few.
We haven't had a pandemic on this scale in over a century...but the Supreme Court did in fact establish that the Gov't can issue vaccine mandates during emergencies.
For the most part, state gov't took the lead, making mandates for smallpox and polio, which is why we eradicated those diseases....because all states participated.
If a handful of states don't make vaccine mandates, the end result would certainly be that the virus would continue to mutate and spread...so good luck on not having the Fed Gov't at some point force the hand of any rouge states that would go against the mandate.

https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-vaccine-supreme-court

I should have put 'Evil Feds' in quotes. It was a joke, sarcasm...

Hmmmm, nice article. Kinda like this section - which maps very closely to what I intended in my post:

In a far darker chapter, the Jacobson decision also provided judicial cover for a Virginia law that authorized the involuntary sterilization of “feeble-minded” individuals in state mental institutions. In the 1920s, eugenics enjoyed wide support in scientific and medical circles, and the Supreme Court justices were not immune.

In the infamous 1927 case Buck v. Bell, the Supreme Court accepted the questionable “facts” presented in the lower court cases that a young Virginia woman named Carrie Bell hailed from a long line of “mental defectives” whose offspring were a burden on public welfare.

“The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes (Jacobson v Massachusetts, 197 US 11). Three generations of imbeciles are enough,” wrote Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes in a chilling opinion.

The Buck decision opened the floodgates and by 1930, a total of 24 states had passed involuntary sterilization laws and around 60,000 women were ultimately sterilized under these statutes.

“Buck v. Bell is the most extreme and barbaric example of the Supreme Court justifying a law in the name of public health,” says Sanders.

I don't want to go there. As someone who is a "physical defective" it would have been a shame to have been forcibly aborted or had my mother/father forcibly sterilized per some political movement of the moment at the time of my birth. A real shame.

 

[nasa1974]

We wouldn't need mandates if everyone just did the right thing and got the vaccine. Now because of the righteous I have my liberties and freedoms more kids are getting the virus, getting hospitalized and some unfortunately are dying. Step up and do the right thing. That means getting a shot that has been approved for Covid not something that has been approved to deworm; horses, cows & dogs. I never thought so many people in this Country would go stupid.

 

[tsptalk]

This turned political? Who'd a thunk it?