COPYRIGHT - This Is Serious!

[Buster]

I too didn't like that BS threat at the end of their letter..If I didn't think it would cause Tom anymore problems..I would like to also say what they can do with their POS propaganda rag...

And since I'm no longer in TSP..I would like to also tell Mr Long to take a flying leap off a short dock......

 

[crws]

Re: Posting Articles and Copyrighted Materials

To use the board's search feature, yes, but there are other ways like search engines.

Many boards using vbulletin will show some search results, but require membership to actually read posts, as they are designated "private".
That goes back to new members submitting a .gov address for admission, otherwise there is the real possibility of many non-tsp holders diluting the user base.
I get the copyright thing, btw.
It's just that as a site grows, the ability to manage data gets harder and harder, unless the mods are constantly on the hunt for offending material.
Then it becomes alot like work.
We ran an Amiga-based BBS in the early 80's that was overrun by people in Europe on dialup u/l'ing porn, and as the word spread it became so prolific we shut it down rather than get busted.
It was crazy.
I'm thinking a poll to go private might be interesting....
just a thought.

 

[tsptalk]

Re: Posting Articles and Copyrighted Materials

I'm thinking a poll to go private might be interesting....
just a thought.

What do you mean?

 

[SkyPilot]

It is really short sighted on their part. A result of being quoted or referenced is likely people visiting their site for other articles. I would not be suprised if this is a low level functionary who is pursuing this, and will be admonished once the appropriate supervisor is notified.

However, if they prefer that I do not read their stuff... fine by me.

Small minded. Short sighted. Self important.

 

[PessOptimist]

ATPC is indeed privately owned. One way to find out about an organization is to click on their employment link. In this case http://www.airforcetimes.com/employment/

I see the point and concern of ATPC about their copyright rights.

I don't know all the ins and outs and Tom doesn't have to tell but if this was the first contact about the matter, they are being a bit heavy handed considering many members of this message board do have interest in their various publications.

The rag was useful to me during my time in the Air Force for publishing promotion lists and pay charts. I also now find it useful to pass the time in AAFES checkout lines, along with all the other tabloids and magazines on display.

 

[Steadygain]

In all seriousness, Tom has been warning about this FOREVER.

Let's take care of Tom and TSP Talk, guys & gals.

Rod, you're wife looks like the perfect match for you. That's by far the best ativar (pic) you've displayed.

Once the rham hits the fan - all the more Tom will know how hugely supported he is. But I guess this serves as a significant warning.

I'd post a link but I'm too pissed at them. I will NEVER buy another one of their papers again. I hold grudges for decades...

Mr. Long, you still suck!

I appreciate your comments last week too. In fact over the weekend checked on a variety of investments to see if that 'company' might be inclued.

Tom,


I for one didn't like their tone in the final line of the email...


"the matter will be turned over to our attorneys"


Nice threats Gannett... I know you can't, but I kinda wish you
would have told them to pound sand. I hope that wasn't their first
email, with the threatening language, instead of just asking you
to comply.

I'm with Birch, they can KMA

I too didn't like that BS threat at the end of their letter..If I didn't think it would cause Tom anymore problems..I would like to also say what they can do with their POS propaganda rag...

And since I'm no longer in TSP..I would like to also tell Mr Long to take a flying leap off a short dock......

You're a cool dude Buster - I like that.

Many boards using vbulletin will show some search results, but require membership to actually read posts, as they are designated "private".

That goes back to new members submitting a .gov address for admission, otherwise there is the real possibility of many non-tsp holders diluting the user base.

I get the copyright thing, btw.

It's just that as a site grows, the ability to manage data gets harder and harder, unless the mods are constantly on the hunt for offending material.
Then it becomes alot like work.

We ran an Amiga-based BBS in the early 80's that was overrun by people in Europe on dialup u/l'ing porn, and as the word spread it became so prolific we shut it down rather than get busted.

It was crazy.
I'm thinking a poll to go private might be interesting....
just a thought.

Very impressive.

Crws, you're very solid, well thought out, and express yourself very skillfully. You'd be good 'leader' material - a very positive addition.

The 'Private' is an excellent idea - as far as you and me and all the others who have found the endless 'benefits' and 'wonderful quality' this site has offered. No doubt - most of us would say 'count me in'.

Draw Backs - are to the potiential 'new members' that are yet to come. I'm concerned a 'private' would keep a lot of people from joining in and we may be too confined to the same members. I guess I see the Site as an ongoing entity - that is supposed to be evolving and 'Changing' as new members become more active and some of the older disappear.

Using a gov. address - and your Excellent expression is very appreciated. I'd have to say that I've been 'outraged' a few times before when it seemed someone was here simply to insult and degrade the USA and the soldiers and all Military connections ...

Then again - I have to admit I have my 'hot buttons' and he just happened to an 'expert' at both finding them and pushing them.

The main problem I find with that is - some of the 'members' that have hugely impressed me and been incredibly wonderful contributors are here because their wife or husband is a fed. employee - so we don't want to keep them out.

I think you're comment about as 'the site grows - the need for the Mods to constantly be on the hunt is the most outstanding - because in this expression is the 'Best Solution'.

All of us - and I mean everyone of us FIRST has to make a point of not 'goofing up' with copyright material. I mean that can't be too hard when we have to know - we are obviously expressing data that is NOT ours.

BUT - Even beyond that, for the occasional - and perhaps 'unintentional mistakes' -- then everyone of us should be noting posts that appear questionable. It 'shouldn't be the Mods job' - it's something everyone of us should feel 'comfortable' pointing out without the fear of 'being offensive' or feeling like a RAT.

I think the main thing is KNOWING it's the integrity of this Site and keeping things good.

You're good -- really good -- and if you would become a Mod -- I would want you to 'enjoy it' and not be over burdened.

It is really short sighted on their part. A result of being quoted or referenced is likely people visiting their site for other articles. I would not be suprised if this is a low level functionary who is pursuing this, and will be admonished once the appropriate supervisor is notified.

However, if they prefer that I do not read their stuff... fine by me.

Small minded. Short sighted. Self important.

Always a pleasure my friend. Hope all is going well.

ATPC is indeed privately owned. One way to find out about an organization is to click on their employment link. In this case http://www.airforcetimes.com/employment/

I see the point and concern of ATPC about their copyright rights.

I don't know all the ins and outs and Tom doesn't have to tell but if this was the first contact about the matter, they are being a bit heavy handed considering many members of this message board do have interest in their various publications.

The rag was useful to me during my time in the Air Force for publishing promotion lists and pay charts. I also now find it useful to pass the time in AAFES checkout lines, along with all the other tabloids and magazines on display.

I think that's what got me so stirred up. I mean I understand the copyright stuff too - but it could have been expressed in a manner that made us all 'cheer for them' and 'hugely respect them'.

There are a lot of members with very significant 'military service' and a lot that are actively serving now.

Well, I'm thrilled the Site is still here.

 

[FLTSPWatch]

Re: Posting Articles and Copyrighted Materials

Sorry to hear Tom that you got all this extra work to do now..Seems that the Military rag has more time on their hands than reporting about training honorable sound minded troops, but to peruse little web chat forums....Pathetic waste of or tax dollar resources, to read forums all day.

Just to clarify, the group of pubs known as Military, Army, Navy, etc., Times is not a government entity.

These pubs are owned by the Gannett Corp, a $2.8 billion diversified media company that owns, in addition to USA Today, more than 140 community, metro and international newspapers, broadcast stations, outdoor advertising and more. To see the list go to gannett.com>About Gannett>Map of Gannett Sites.

Not only are they not affiliated with the US government, the are part of a publicly held company that is fighting for it's life in the new digital world and will no doubt commit what ever it needs to to protect it's corporate interests.

This information is not meant to disparage either MT, Gannett or any of their affiliated holdings. Only to inform so that any concerns can be directed appropriately and not at a government agency.

 

[alevin]

Well, here's something afoot that could impact this site if Tom got hit with copyright infringement accusation again-and this bill passes.

Please read the whole article-ignore the hosting website, irrelevant. internet censorship hits all of us.

The Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act (COICA) was introduced just one week ago, but it's greased and ready to move, with a hearing in front of the Judiciary Committee this Thursday. COICA creates two blacklists of Internet domain names. the Attorney General would have control over the second. Internet service providers and others (everyone from Comcast to PayPal to Google AdSense) would be required to block any domains on the first list. They would also receive immunity if they block domains on the second list.

The lists are for sites "dedicated to infringing activity," but that's defined very broadly.

There is a link in the article where you can sign a petition against the act passing-if you think passage of the act would be detrimental to freedom of the internet and potentially this site if we and Tom are not ultravigilant and careful about what gets posted here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-segal/stop-the-internet-blackli_b_739836.html

 

[tsptalk]

Stop the Internet Blacklist!

 

[tsptalk]

Re: Posting Articles and Copyrighted Materials

Not only are they not affiliated with the US government, the are part of a publicly held company that is fighting for it's life in the new digital world and will no doubt commit what ever it needs to to protect it's corporate interests.

This information is not meant to disparage either MT, Gannett or any of their affiliated holdings. Only to inform so that any concerns can be directed appropriately and not at a government agency.

Understood.

 

[Steadygain]

I knew this day would have to come as Censorship' took control.

Alevie,
The reason I responded the way I did 'initially' and did NOT see the specific copyright issue - by a specific company - is because I had personally taken the time to research the extent by which our Government and especially the President (and former Presidents) have increasingly taken 'censorship' to higher and higher levels.

It is only because all this information was so HUGE and forced me to see and deal with such an 'enormity' of reality that completely struck against everything I believed was 'really true'.

Obama - is the worst - and I thought it better to keep quiet and let others keep whatever peace and comfort still exists.

Well, here's something afoot that could impact this site if Tom got hit with copyright infringement accusation again-and this bill passes.

Please read the whole article-ignore the hosting website, irrelevant. internet censorship hits all of us.



There is a link in the article where you can sign a petition against the act passing-if you think passage of the act would be detrimental to freedom of the internet and potentially this site if we and Tom are not ultravigilant and careful about what gets posted here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-segal/stop-the-internet-blackli_b_739836.html

Thanks Alevie -- this says a lot for you.

Stop the Internet Blacklist!

I wish we could. I hope we can.

You have to know that many of us are in your corner.

 

[Frixxxx]

Ladies and Gents,

The Internet Blacklist is for those sites and unscrupulous people who "Counterfeit" goods and services on the Internet. This mainly covers many of the "phishing sites" that "pretend" to be something they're not. When identified, a court order MUST be initiated and approved to instruct the ISPs to block these sites.

Example, consider walking down the street and there are two buildings right next to each other that say "Bank of America". One is legit, the other isn't, but you as a consumer would not know. You can do the exact same thing in each building, but one is a "counterfeit." You would expect that a goverment agency would shutdown the counterfeit site. Wouldn't you?

The problem is there are things we can do IN our country and things we CAN'T do out of the country.....This basically stops things from happening on the wire to protect the masses from fraud.

Hope this helps!

 

[Gumby]

Ladies and Gents,

The Internet Blacklist is for those sites and unscrupulous people who "Counterfeit" goods and services on the Internet. This mainly covers many of the "phishing sites" that "pretend" to be something they're not. When identified, a court order MUST be initiated and approved to instruct the ISPs to block these sites.

Example, consider walking down the street and there are two buildings right next to each other that say "Bank of America". One is legit, the other isn't, but you as a consumer would not know. You can do the exact same thing in each building, but one is a "counterfeit." You would expect that a goverment agency would shutdown the counterfeit site. Wouldn't you?

The problem is there are things we can do IN our country and things we CAN'T do out of the country.....This basically stops things from happening on the wire to protect the masses from fraud.

Hope this helps!

And it may not help at all.... Denninger has different ideas.
MORE

 

[Frixxxx]

And it may not help at all.... Denninger has different ideas.
MORE

Denninger scope is DNS focused and limited.... It is nightmarish on enforcement, but the scope of the bill is what needs clarification before we can even broach the scope of enforcement.

I think it will not go far until everyone has a chance to look at it!:suspicious:

 

[FAB1]

There is no benefit to the public on TSPTalk that I can see.

All the content on this site doesnt need to be public. The whole site or parts of it can be privately accessed.

The forum is for participants in the TSP. Members should require a .gov email address.

If anyone in the TSP is really interested they will register and join the forum.

This will keep out prying eyes and eliminate these kinds of silly problems as the folks at Gannet will not be able to stick their corporate nose in here.

Personally, I dont like their attitude. I will make an effort to BOYCOTT any and every product they have.

 

[JTH]

Some things to consider, many folks stumble unto this forum through search engines like Google, so a privatized forum could hinder Tom's growth. Also there are a certain number of lurkers out there who will refuse to register for privacy reasons. And lastly this could also cut down on the huge wad of cash Google is paying me for my blog-tied Google Adsense account.

 

[Steadygain]

Denninger scope is DNS focused and limited.... It is nightmarish on enforcement, but the scope of the bill is what needs clarification before we can even broach the scope of enforcement.

I think it will not go far until everyone has a chance to look at it!:suspicious:

Frixxxxx, We totally messed up not bringing you to Moderator status way before it did happen. You've got soooo much more Integrity -- are so incredibly SOLID and very well 'thought out' ....

You're something else man !!!

I'm really glad you're comming to life.

There is no benefit to the public on TSPTalk that I can see.

Personally, I dont like their attitude. I will make an effort to BOYCOTT any and every product they have.

Then you're missing the most valuable and irreplaceable aspects.

The 'public' is most 'benefitted' by acknowledging the people that interact here. It's way more the 'BONDS' that people reflect and the enormity of what they represent:

BIRCH: - Solid ROCK - Total Integrity and Honor - Commitment to being and remaining who and what he is.

CB: Ditto 'Birch' -- but here FAMILY and all those aspects that make him everything he is

BUSTER: - He's totally a rascal -- but he's about as deep as you can get and you F up -- he'll be the first to jump in your face.

SQUALE, ALEVIN, LADY, JIM, COOLHAND, FRIXXXX, YOU -- and many others (and I mean Many others)

The 'public' very much Benefits from all of 'us' - cause 'we are what the F ing USA totally stands for

Some things to consider, many folks stumble unto this forum through search engines like Google, so a privatized forum could hinder Tom's growth. Also there are a certain number of lurkers out there who will refuse to register for privacy reasons. And lastly this could also cut down on the huge wad of cash Google is paying me for my blog-tied Google Adsense account.

I'm liking you more and more.

Tom's growth -- is (and always will be) the top priority.

 

[wwwtractor]

This is why I post a sentence or two to show the gist of an article and use the "delicious.com" public bookmarks as a collecting device to group information links.

The links are always there in my signature so it makes it easy to follow back to the details. Happy posting.

 

[Steadygain]

This is why I post a sentence or two to show the gist of an article and use the "delicious.com" public bookmarks as a collecting device to group information links.

The links are always there in my signature so it makes it easy to follow back to the details. Happy posting.

Perhaps we should Discuss this as Posting Articles and Copyrighted Materials may have elements of fun and be entertaining. :suspicious::worried::cheesy:

 

[BooDog]

No problem here. Good luck you guys. I know this area has got to be a pain for many forums.