Blue is the new brown.

[McDuck]

 

[James48843]

A new low, Greg.

I hereby invoke Godwin's law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

You lose.

 

[JTH]

A new low, Greg.

I hereby invoke Godwin's law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

You lose.

James dear fellow, you have way too much information crammed in your head. I think you've reached the end of the internet...

 

[James48843]

Alright Greg- I'll play.

I'd like to tell you what you just did.

You defamed the honor of the great American who's icon you use as an Avatar.

You see, I saw your avatar standing along the border with East Germany, when he called for Mr. Gorbachav to tear down that wall. I was serving my country then in Uniform. So that people like you could continue to post garbage like that.

During that same tour of duty, I traveled to Dachau, northwest of Munich.

If you've never been there, I would encourage you to go. You might learn something there Greg- about tolerance. And about the destruction that took place there.

Here you go Greg- take a stroll here, and look around:

http://www.kz-gedenkstaette-dachau.de/memorial/tour.html

It's a 3-D tour of the inside of what remains today of the place where tens of thousands died.

There isn't a whole lot left. All the barracks- they are gone. But when I was there, you could still see the outlines of where the electric fence around the perimeter was.

And you could trace the outlines of the barracks on gravel pathways.

All that is gone now. Only a few paths remain within the confines of where the fence used to be. And, oh yea- the memorials.

There are memorials there now. The Catholic church built theres in 1960. The Carmlite nuns placed theirs there in 1964. The Protestents built one in 1967. The Jews built a memorial there in 1967. Those were all in place when I first visited the place in the 1980s. Since then, the Russian Orthadox church added a memorial in 1994. Its main icon shows the resurrected Christ leading the camp inmates out of their barracks and through the gate held opened by angels.

To utilize these images only shows your ignorance of the world around us, and is a slap in the face of every American who has walked on that ground, and known what terrible things took place in locations like Dachau.

And all these places.

http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blchart.htm

I spent time at Dachau, and visited Majdanek, and saw the places where cruelty of man against man exhibited itself just a half-century before.

I invite you to visit the http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.aspx?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&b=358201 Simon Wiesenthal Center for tolerance.

There you might learn something.

You think your hero, Mr. Reagan, film star, would approve of such a video made about a candidate of the opposing party? I think Reagan knew better. Had more respect for the dead than you. I don't think Ronald Reagan- Mr. "Morning in America" would approve of what you and your warped party have become.


I would hope that you would be better than that.

Here is what Reagan said, after touring Bergen-Blesen, in May of 1985. I remember that, because I had been to Dachau for the first time only a few weeks before.

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[McDuck]

A new low, Greg.

"Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It"?

 

[McDuck]

defamed the honor of the great American

Sunday, October 5, 2008

Michael Reagan: Obama Lied About My Dad

By Michael Reagan
FrontPageMagazine.com
Thursday, March 20, 2008

Most of the media and their fellow liberals were positively giddy over Barack Obama’s speech Tuesday, all but comparing it to the Sermon on the Mount. I won’t deny it was a masterful piece of oratory -- the man can be spellbinding -- but when you stop to consider what Sen. Obama was really doing up there on the podium, invoking the specter of slavery and Jim Crow and the era of “whites only,” it becomes clear that it was a con job designed to make the voters as giddy as he knew his worshippers in the submissive media would be.

The speech was meant to be an explanation and expiation of his guilt for his years of remaining mute in the face of the outrageous anti-Americanism spewed by his pastor and bosom buddy, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.Until Tuesday, Barack Obama (you can’t use his middle name, which has now become the “H-word,” allegedly a code word for anti-Muslim rhetoric) had steadfastly denied he ever heard his friend and pastor make his hateful remarks.

In the speech, however, he just kind of mentioned that… well, yes … he guesses he was aware of the Reverend Wright’s offensive rhetoric after all. Mea Minima Culpa.

He then launched into a defense of his friendship with the man he credited for bringing him to Christianity, and helping to form his social and political philosophy and set him on the path to a life of public service. Admirably, while denouncing Wright’s extremism, he refused to denounce the man himself.

Nobody expected him to declare Wright anathema and cast him into the outer darkness where there is weeping and wailing and the gnashing of teeth -- one simply doesn’t do to that sort of thing to a longtime friend, benefactor and mentor even if he has been shown to have slipped the rails time after time.

What was not expected was Barack H. Obama’s use of a litany of America’s past racist offenses to justify not only Wright’s blatant hatred of white America but his suggestion that it was a sentiment shared by most African Americans. And that is simply not true.

Nor was it true, as Obama charged, that the Reagan coalition was created out of white resentment for affirmative action or forced busing. He charged that “anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime… talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism.”

Poppycock! These are not only outright falsehoods, but echoes of what Obama learned at the feet of Jeremiah Wright and now preaches as his own beliefs. He learned his lessons well.When he suggested that my father’s coalition was based on anger over affirmative action and welfare he was peddling a blatant falsehood as egregious in its falsity as Wright’s charge that whites created AIDS to wipe out the black population.

Everything Obama said was directed at suggesting that while Rev. Wright should not have used such inflammatory language, he was somehow justified because of America’s white racism.Try as he might, Barack Obama cannot claim the innocence of a lamb in his long years of worshipful association with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. He was either fully aware of the seething racial hatred that motivated Wright, or something of a blithering idiot who can’t spot a racist hater when he spends years genuflecting at his feet.

Barack Obama is not an idiot. He is a brilliant orator who exudes charm and arouses near-worship from his host of giddy, hypnotized supporters. He is also a committed socialist and a talented salesman for his brand of Marxist snake oil. Beware of camels bearing gifts, and politicians promising utopia.

Mike Reagan, the eldest son of President Ronald Reagan, is heard on more than 200 talk radio stations nationally as part of the Radio America Network

 

[McDuck]

I was serving my country then in Uniform.

Are you a combat veteran?

 

[McDuck]

And about the destruction that took place there.

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The destruction got started in the early '30s with something like this.

 

[McDuck]

You might learn something there Greg- about tolerance.

Jimbo, I assume this is how you would define tolerance.

 

[ChemEng]

Here is what McCain said about the issue. His position seems pretty clear.

 

[McDuck]

Here is what McCain said about the issue. His position seems pretty clear.

McCain is not running a very good race. He is giving Osama a pass on his un-American past. I would prefer that Palin be on top of the ticket. She calls a club a club.


ChemEng what would you say about this issue?

 

[McDuck]

 

[ChemEng]

Clinton is not running a very good race. He is giving Osama a pass on his un-American past. I would prefer that Palin be on top of the ticket. She calls a club a club.

I believe Wright has a right to say whatever he wants to say. I certainly don't agree with most of those comments, but the challenge of being an American is protecting the ability for people with diametrically opposed thoughts and ideas to voice their opinions and concerns in the very same way you do your own opinions and concerns. Anything less is unAmerican.

 

[XL-entLady]

I certainly don't agree with most of those comments, but the challenge of being an American is protecting the ability for people with diametrically opposed thoughts and ideas to voice their opinions and concerns in the very same way you do your own opinions and concerns. Anything less is unAmerican.

Greg, I agree 100% with ChemEng. Voltaire said it too. "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. "

Lady

 

[alevin]

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/What_is_a_troll%3F

Trolling is deliberate violation of the implicit rules of Internet social spaces. It necessarily involves a value judgment made by one user about the value of another's contribution. (Because of this it is considered not to be any more useful than the judgment 'I don't agree with you' by many users, who prefer to focus on behaviors instead of on presumed intent.)
Trolling is not necessarily the same as vandalism (although vandalism may be used to troll). A vandal may just enjoy ... spreading some personal views in an inappropriate way. A troll deliberately exploits tendencies of human nature or of an online community to upset people.
There are many types of disruptive users that are not trolls. cranks, impolite users, are not necessarily trolls. Personally I find the BlueBrown post to go far far beyond crankiness or impoliteness.
The basic mindset of a troll is that they are far more interested in how others react to their edits than in the usual concerns of [TSPTalk members]: accuracy, veracity, comprehensiveness, and overall quality. If a troll gets no response to their spurious edits, then they can hardly be considered a troll at all.

The basic policy regarding trolling is simple: please refrain.

I find trolling to be pretty disgusting, myself.

 

[McDuck]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/obamas.first.campaign/index.html

In his first race for office, seeking a state Senate seat on Chicago's gritty South Side in 1996, Obama effectively used election rules to eliminate his Democratic competition.

As a community organizer, he had helped register thousands of voters. But when it came time to run for office, he employed Chicago rules to invalidate the voting petition signatures of three of his challengers.

The move denied each of them, including incumbent Alice Palmer, a longtime Chicago activist, a place on the ballot. It cleared the way for Obama to run unopposed on the Democratic ticket in a heavily Democrat district.

"That was Chicago politics," said John Kass, a veteran Chicago Tribune columnist. "Knock out your opposition, challenge their petitions, destroy your enemy, right? It is how Barack Obama destroyed his enemies back in 1996 that conflicts with his message today. He may have gotten his start registering thousands of voters. But in that first race, he made sure voters had just one choice."

 

[fabijo]

Okay, isn't this video more appropriate for Bush's fascism (only now we call it Nationalism)?

Um, yeah. This one is pretty scary.

 

[alevin]

Food for thought.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77253

If this were the KKK, we'd all be in an uproar, but I hear no self indignation about this, so I guess it's OK ? Remember your history or you'll relive it. The brownshirts started very small during bad economic times.
The Fugitive

This was a factual event. The thing that started this thread was an artificial visual lie. Agreed we need to know and remember our history so its not repeated. What that overly enthusiastic idiot naive teacher did is not ok in any way shape or form. Deserved every ounce of the disciplinary response he got. We aren't going to have a Kristallnacht or yellow star armbands here, nor a parallel. Not happening. Enough of us know the history is true and not a myth.

As far as reaction from us here, how could there be one if people are unaware of what happened, which we weren't, so thanks for sharing something real and factual. Thankfully, it's being taken care of at the appropriate local level and quickly as it should be.

 

[McDuck]

We aren't going to have a Kristallnacht or yellow star armbands here, nor a parallel. Not happening.

That's a very flippant thing to say.

 

[McDuck]