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Lot of room to move up.:D If the Fed cuts rates next week Oil will jump the same day to $110. The market will jump a bit then drop more. Way too much bad news and bad reports.

I am looking at holding in the F Fund but thought it would jump more today I was looking at 6 cents + why did it not jump more or what prevented it from gaining more. THX - Braveheart :D

Yup, they revised January's -17K down -22K, and February's was -63K. We might hear talks in the media over the weekend about a recession.

As for the F fund, it was 5 cents until that afternoon rally in the stock market.
 
Yup, they revised January's -17K down -22K, and February's was -63K. We might hear talks in the media over the weekend about a recession.

As for the F fund, it was 5 cents until that afternoon rally in the stock market.

I was watching Bloomberg and they said there is no support below now but mentioned buying on low volume somehow moves this market. They also mentioned the Bond Market is a safe play.

One person (From a Firm In Boston MA) mentioned the holders are waiting to sell on an uptick and then he said they would be better off moving to Treasuries now because this market could go to 10,000 then after all is devalued you buy in. From 11,500 down to 10,000 position yourself.

I took that as get the hell out the bargain basement prices are not even here yet. You won't see him on CNBC ever !!!:rolleyes: --- Good Luck
 
Hey Reactive!!

You make'n good sense...and we're in ditto to that. I'd like to add...Greenspan ducked out just in time...!!! - BIGBULLY!!
 
Holy Batman...
Glad to be in the F fund.:)

March 8, 2008
US Fed releases $200bn as credit crisis hits new depths

Siobhan Kennedy

The global credit crisis plunged to new depths yesterday as persistent fears over the
collapse of a large financial institution
caused funding markets to dry up and forced the US Federal Reserve to make available up to $200 billion (£99.3 billion) of emergency financing.

The Fed said that a “rapid deterioration” in the credit markets in recent days had prompted it to begin a series of fresh cash injections in an effort to shore up the balance sheets of America’s stricken banks. Unemployment also shot up in the US last month, adding to the gloom. US stocks tumbled, dragging the Dow Jones industrial average down 138.40 points to 11.902.00. Treasury prices jumped and the dollar fell to record lows.

Bankers said that the moves underscored the deepening severity of the crisis, which was triggered last June by the collapse of the American sub-prime mortgage market and has got progressively worse since. One senior banker in London said: “This is the beginning of the real credit crisis and it’s not going to end without a major casualty.”

Sources said that the present crisis was triggered by cash-strapped banks starting to get tough with their hedge fund clients by making margin calls on loans and drastically raising interest rate payments overnight. The move has pushed the funds into the panic-selling of assets, mostly AAA-rated US mortgage securities, and several are thought to be on the brink of collapse. One of them, Carlyle Capital Corporation (CCC), said yesterday that overnight it had received “substantial additional margin calls” linked to its souring investments in US mortgages.

Thornburg, the US mortgage lender, exacerbated investor jitters when it said that it did not have enough cash to meet $610 million of margin calls. Last week Peloton, a London hedge fund, collapsed after it became unable to meet the banks’ demands.

Bankers said that the problem was related to a perceived increased risk surrounding the AAA-rated prime mortgages and to the consequences of dangerous overleveraging of the funds themselves. In the case of Carlyle, its CCC fund had leveraged its assets by $30 for every $1 of its own cash.

“The whole industry was created by cheap debt,” the banking source said. “It was really all just an illusion.”

Underlining the Fed’s desperate attempts to calm markets, for the first time it said that it would accept mortgage-backed assets as collateral from the banks for fresh loans. As the fear spread, the perceived risk of owning US corporate bonds - measured by the widening of credit spreads – also rose to its highest level.

Friedman, Billings, Ramsey, the US analyst firm, said that the US financial industry would need $1 trillion of permanent capital to maintain current pricing of mortgage assets. However, it added that the industry would not be able to obtain that amount.

Shares of Carlyle’s CCC fund were suspended in Amsterdam yesterday as it disclosed that it had received more default notices from its lenders and that some of those lenders had been forced to sell CCC’s mortgage assets in an effort to recover their loans. The dire forecast came only 24 hours after CCC said that it had been issued with $37 million of margin calls from lenders, having satisfied $60 million of calls only the week before.

Sean Egan, of the Egan-Jones Ratings Company, said: “When financial history is written, the Carlyle liquidation will go down as one of the single most major events. Carlyle has built an image as one of the smartest investors around, and to see one of its funds fall apart shows there is a fundamental problem with the market.”http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article3508468.ece
 
BK this weekend?

Thornburg says can't meet $610 mln of margin calls
Counterparties agree to freeze demands through Friday, company says

By Alistair Barr, MarketWatch
Last update: 4:23 p.m. EST March 7, 2008

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Thornburg Mortgage said on Friday that it failed to meet $610 million of margin calls and its counterparties have agreed to hold off until the end of the day to give the company time to come up with a solution to its liquidity crisis.

Thornburg is working to meet the demands for more cash or collateral on its loan agreements by selling assets, borrowing money by issuing debt backed by its mortgage assets and raising new capital through share or debt sales, the company said.

Thornburg had received notices of default from four different lenders by the end of Thursday, it also noted. The company's latest disclosure unsettled already fragile equity markets, helping to push the Dow Jones Industrial Average down 200 points in afternoon trading.

Thornburg shares fell 25% to $1.23.

Thornburg is being swept up in a wave of de-leveraging that's crashing over the $11 trillion U.S. mortgage market. Last year's subprime meltdown has undermined confidence in the home loans that back mortgage securities. Now banks that lend money to help investors buy these securities are pulling back and imposing margin calls, demanding more cash or collateral to back their loans.

Read more here:http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...x?guid={CEE36D06-3122-4423-9650-A818A4DE2258}
 
Leverage is going in reverse, and with a vengeance. And it is happening all up and down the economic food chain, regardless of the underlying credits. Brokers and commercial banks are being forced by regulators to call in loans and reduce exposure in order to raise capital. They are raising margins on all sorts of companies and individuals. They are requiring higher margins even for Fannie Mae debt, even though everyone knows the US government would step in if there was a problem.
This reduction in leverage is forcing funds and companies to sell assets into markets that simply do not want to buy anything. Loan sssets that are otherwise solid credits are going for 80 cents on the dollar. I am talking about municipal bonds and high-rated bank loans with default rates of less than 1%. This is a market in severe crisis.
And it is also starting to hurt ordinary people. I have a friend who does a lot of work on eBay. She has good credit. Rather than a bank line of credit, she simply uses credit cards. Or did. This week she got three letters reducing her limits to levels below what she already had on the cards. There are numerous such anecdotal stories circulating.
Let me tell a personal story to illustrate the problem. In 1976 I was a young entrepreneur, working as a print broker. There was a severe paper shortage at the time. I borrowed $10,000 from my friendly personal banker and used it to buy traincar loads of paper. Things went well. I got a lot of business just because I had access to paper in my warehouse. But my bank ran into trouble and the regulators forced them to reduce their loan book. They cancelled any loan they could. I politely suggested that they stick to the terms of our agreement (otherwise known as telling them to go pound sand). When they realized that I did not intend to destroy my business to help their balance sheet, they called my mother (I swear this is true - I was 26 at the time) and told her they would ruin my credit if she did not pay the loan for me. They so worried her that she actually did so, and then told me afterwards. Maddening.
The point is that a bank or broker in a capital crisis will do what it feels it has to do to get back into balance. Relationships that you thought you had are gone with the wind. And with accountants and regulators requiring a much more vigorous mark-to-market on asset prices, banks are forced to reduce lending of all types. This is going to slow down the US economy.
Case in point: a small hedge fund called Tequesta had a portfolio of prime jumbo mortgages made to high-net-worth individuals. These were really solid loans with very low default rates and good collateral. The fund actually made small but steady returns and was only leveraged by two times.
Shouldn't be a problem, right? But Tequesta got its loans from Citibank. As we all know, the selling started in subprime markets but soon migrated to all credit markets. This, in turn, "... created problems for smaller, less-liquid markets. Jumbo mortgage bonds like Tequesta used, for instance, saw valuations drop as dealers and rival mortgage hedge funds refused to indicate at what price they would be willing to buy this paper. Lacking bidders, Tequesta's bonds fell in value. So began a vicious cycle.
"Tequesta's portfolio managers watched on the sidelines as banks dumped billions of dollars worth of mortgage bonds to free up capital. Even bonds backed by loans to the wealthiest Americans traded lower.
"This raised alarms among Tequesta's lenders. Executives at investment-bank prime brokerage operations saw the sharp drop in the value of Tequesta's holdings and demanded additional collateral. In turn, they forced the fund to make additional sales to meet the margin calls."
Eventually the fund simply had to shut down, as Citi simply sold the bonds at whatever price they could get, forcing large losses to investors who thought they had invested in a conservative strategy.
Remember, these loans were good loans. This was not junk. There were simply no buyers of any type of mortgage debt that is not guaranteed by the US government, so "mark-to-no-market" created a serious distortion.
What we have to realize is that about 60% of what Paul McCulley calls the "shadow banking system" has vaporized into thin air and is never coming back. The SIVS, CLO, CDOs, and the rest of their alphabet friends which bought the debt are now in the process of selling anything they can as they close up their funds. Pension funds and insurance companies which bought the debt are understandably on strike. The world economy is going to have to find new structures and buyers for all sorts of debt. This is not going to happen overnight. It will take at least a year, maybe more.


John Mauldin, Best-Selling author and recognized financial expert, is also editor of the free Thoughts From the Frontline that goes to over 1 million readers each week. For more information on John or his FREE weekly economic letter go to: http://www.frontlinethoughts.com/learnmore


I think this makes it a little easier to understand.
 
Reactive1,

Thanks for the article.

Here is my feeling on what is happening: Tough Shitski.

There are no buyers because there is no trust. Everybody, from banks to bond insurers to rating agencies, that got involved in this alphabet soup knew that is was a scheme. They made billions and got million dollar bonuses and caused astronomical home price inflation across the country and maybe around the world also.

The government needs to bring Warren Buffet back to the table and force the bond insurers to accept his offer. After that, the rating agencies can freely downgrade the bond insurers. ABK and MBIA will probably blow up and more writedowns will come along with more BKs, but this will start to restore trust in the markets as the good, the bad, and the ugly gets exposed. The muni's will be saved.

The more they try to delay this, the more innocent victims there will be.
 

In this way the investment bank has created a decent proportion of highly marketable bonds out of a package of low-quality mortgages. Fairly standard, for example, is to convert a large package of MBS into perhaps 80% investment-grade bonds, 10% mezzanine, and 10% equity.

There in lies the fraud.
 
Z,

Sorry for filling up your thread, but I thought this article was well worth the space for its educational value. There are a lot of us who just don't understand how this all started - because of the bushies "everything is rosy" smoke n mirrors the past two years. The warning signs were there, but greed always takes the upper hand with us humans. Please feel free to delete it if you dont agree.:D

Actually, I thank you for posting this. I just hope that everybody here reads it. They made this stuff complicated on purpose. Have you tried talking to people about all this? I have. Last year, my co-workers were calling me Chicken Little or Mr. Doom and Gloom. Some of them are down $40-50K since last Oct.

Heck, our very own Birchtree, calls me an alarmist and a chiclet.:D
 
uh oh....

FBI probes Countrywide for possible fraud: report
Proof of collusion could scuttle Bank of America deal

WOW!!!!!! GREAT FIND!!!!!:)

I knew that deal was BS when it was announced. I suspected that BAC's arm was being twist into making the deal by the Feds due to the CFC BK rumor. This certainly gives BAC an out. Besides, BAC has first rights to CFC's assets anyway if they were to go BK. The deal just didn't make any sense.

LOL!!!!!:laugh:
 
WOW!!!!!! GREAT FIND!!!!!:)

I knew that deal was BS when it was announced. I suspected that BAC's arm was being twist into making the deal by the Feds due to the CFC BK rumor. This certainly gives BAC an out. Besides, BAC has first rights to CFC's assets anyway if they were to go BK. The deal just didn't make any sense.
LOL!!!!!:laugh:
Hey 350,
Thanks for the assist!!
Check my AcctTalk now - 2 videos posted of Mozilo testifying yesterday!!
1, he blames the "victims" :rolleyes:
 
I also have read the excellent articles posted above. Government regulations are necessary. I wonder if excessive de-regulation has something to do with this debacle? In theory, one likes to think we can live without government regulations. Ideally, we would like a smaller government, and less taxes. In reality, what we really need is an efficient but necessary government entity or entities that respond to the changing needs of the country. What we don't need is a lack of government. An absence of government would bring the law-of-the jungle, where only the "slickest", and "wisest" would prevail like birds-of-prey. Everything in excess has its drawbacks. We need regulators to check the excesses of human behavior. Checks and balances are necessary at all times. Could this crisis have been avoided? I don't know.
 
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