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350Z,

In your opinion, what would need to be done (rate cut wise or other) to turn the markets around (mid to long term thinking)?

Would we be looking at a back to back rate cut totally a full 1%, or more?

Thanks!
BR


Hank Paulson, "We must act now".

No ****! Go tell Ben!:mad:
 
Hank Paulson, "We must act now".

No ****! Go tell Ben!:mad:

Ben: "uh, uh, ...downturn, uh, uh ...weak, slower growth, uh, uh ...stimulus, uh, uh, ...ensure ecomony, uh, uh, ...stand ready for substantial, uh, uh" --WHAT?? :notrust: [My best hope is too many tranquilizers beforehand, but somehow I doubt it!]

PS Paulson's no better. Action is needed, not talk!
 
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in the short term (a day or two) this stiumuls plan may prevent people from shorting more, but can it convince people to go long?

That's a serious question not rhetorical. I would hate to get whipsawed by, of all things... this news.

I heard that we might hear more details on Tuesday, but without a Fed cut, it will be status quo.

If I'm right about ABK, only a fed cut will save the market that day.

We tanked this morning because there was no Fed cut in the morning to offset worries on ABK and MBIA. Today is OPEX, Ben should have cut this morning. More and more, I think he will wait until the 30th.
 
350Z,

In your opinion, what would need to be done (rate cut wise or other) to turn the markets around (mid to long term thinking)?

Would we be looking at a back to back rate cut totally a full 1%, or more?

Thanks!
BR

IMO, the markets need a .50% FFR and .50% discount rate today, with strong language suggesting another .50% on the 30th.

Edit: I should add that there is nothing they can do for this market in the long term. It's going to be a bear market for a while. Anybody that tells you the economy will start to pick up later this year and that earnings will start to rise, is a blind fool.
 
If there was a .5% cut, would the markets go down like they did during the last cut... ? If I remember correctly, the fed annouced a .5% cut and the market dropped. I guess because the "market" was expecting more, and was not satisfied with the language of Mr. B.

IMO, the markets need a .50% FFR and .50% discount rate today, with strong language suggesting another .50% on the 30th.
 
If there was a .5% cut, would the markets go down like they did during the last cut... ? If I remember correctly, the fed annouced a .5% cut and the market dropped. I guess because the "market" was expecting more, and was not satisfied with the language of Mr. B.

No, the last cut was only .25%. Hens the sell-off.
 
i've heard some good rationale from some on this board and i'm starting to agree w/ them that whether or not it was 50/50 or 25/25 cuts we would have sold off. The only way to shock the market into an elongated bounce would be to surprise the markets intermeeting. But its kind of obvious Ben doesn't care what the markets do in the immediate term otherwise he would have already acted at some key technical levels that would have kept the bull in tact. We had to learn that the expensive way. Poolman provided a clip that had a dude saying the market will be disappointed all year long with .25 and .50 cuts. The only way to keep inflation tame and quell overseas demand for food/oil etc, is to let them sink with us.
 
FedGolfer,
You know I respect alot of your comments and prespective.
Here's mine - NO amount of cuts, even 1.0/2.0/3.0?, at this late time, nor any "stimulus package" will help. Alot of talk, nothing more. Maybe, a zero rate will get things moving, but whats that do to confidence, or especially to the value of the dollar? I want what few dollars I have for retirement to be worth something!
IMHO, this "thing" we're faced with is like a virus - it just has to run its course. Its gonna be UGLY! And long, drawn-out. Rate cuts, now, any amount, is like giving antibiotics to some with a virus - no effect!

IMHO, the only solution is for us to change - our strategy. We need to think long-term positions. Become investors! Use DCA over time (maybe 4 months), plus Contributions to DCA-in.
Anyway, for me, my shorts have all been eat'n! :D
This definitely bites!
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hess, you're right re: tsp. We have to change to a longer mentality with the 2 ifts. Playing the bounces in a bear market w/ 2 ifts is going to be near impossible... swing trading on the weekly charts is where i'm leaning... it will at least filter out all the intraday/week noise and keep us focused on the macro picture.
 
F#$% @#%$% #$#$ %#%$! It's starting!:(

Fitch slashes Ambac Assurance's top "AAA" rating
NEW YORK, Jan 18 (Reuters) -

Fitch Ratings on Friday cut the top "AAA" rating of Ambac Assurance Corp, the insurance unit of Ambac Financial Group (ABK), citing the bond insurer's decision to scrap a $1 billion equity issue.

Ambac Assurance's rating was cut two notches to "AA," the third highest rating, from "AAA."

Fitch also downgraded the parent company Ambac Financial's long-term rating three notches to "A," the sixth highest rating, from "AA." Fitch said that more rating cuts are possible.
(Reporting by Neil Shah, Editing by Chizu Nomiyama)
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSWNAS697920080118?rpc=44
 
ugh, that was supposed to be the mother of all short squeeze's. Mama must need vitamins.

At least we came off the lows of the day. For me, it was the S fund at -1.5% at the low. -.66% is fine with me. It's like getting away without losing a body part, unlike yesterday.

I'm seeing some bullish activities in after hours trading in the currency markets. Looks like folks taking profit and covering. After a good week like this, I can't really blame them. They'll load up again on Tuesday when ABK announces. Since Ben didn't cut today, he'll probably wait until the 30th.

I've already posted early that Fitch downgraded ABK this afternoon. S&P and Moody's will follow soon. They'll probably wait until after the earnings report.
 
fedgolfer [hess, you're right re: tsp. We have to change to a longer mentality with the 2 ifts. Playing the bounces in a bear market w/ 2 ifts is going to be near impossible... swing trading on the weekly charts is where i'm leaning... it will at least filter out all the intraday/week noise and keep us focused on the macro picture.
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Hi Guys,

I'm fairly new as a member, joined in October since I wanted stop being a buy-n-hold'er...feels like I've been stuck in a $15K narrow sideways ever since! Seems to me it's an appropriate time to say who cares if the cutoff time is noon since we'll be forced to follow longer trends, and for those of us that are still working, it might be better to wait until the end of the day to properly digest what's going on with the market anyway. :blink:
 
Scary stuff.

Bond-insurer woes may trigger more write-downs
Doubts on AAA ratings for Ambac, MBIA spark turmoil in muni bond market

By Alistair Barr, MarketWatch
Last update: 6:08 p.m. EST Jan. 18, 2008

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Just when you thought it was over, trouble in the $2.3 trillion bond-insurance business could trigger another wave of big write-downs from banks and brokerage firms, experts said Friday.

Leading bond insurers Ambac Financial and MBIA look increasingly likely to lose their AAA ratings. While almost unthinkable just six months ago, such concerns are also causing turmoil in the $2.5 trillion municipal-bond market. Bond insurers agree to pay principal and interest when due in a timely manner in the event of a default -- a $2.3 trillion business that offers a credit-rating boost to municipalities and other issuers that don't have AAA ratings. Without those top ratings, their business models may be imperiled.
A more worrying consideration is that when a bond insurer is downgraded, all the securities it has guaranteed are, in theory, downgraded as well.

If Ambac and MBIA lose their top ratings, billions of dollars of muni bonds will be downgraded, and the guarantees that have been sold on mortgage-related securities such as collateralized debt obligations, or CDOs, will lose value.

Bond insurers guarantee roughly $1.4 trillion worth of muni bonds and more than $600 billion of structured finance securities, such as mortgage-backed securities and CDOs, according to Standard & Poor's. Ambac alone has guaranteed about $67 billion of CDOs.

"The destruction of the bond insurers would likely bring write-downs at major banks and financial institutions that would put current write-downs to shame," Tamara Kravec, an analyst at Banc of America Securities, wrote in a note Friday.

Kravec cut her rating on Ambac and MBIA on Friday because she thinks that ratings downgrades are "highly probable" now.
Indeed, Fitch Ratings cut Ambac's AAA rating to AA on Friday, becoming the first major agency to take that step. Fitch downgraded 137,390 muni bond issues and 114 other securities guaranteed by Ambac soon after.

Merrill Lynch & Co. took a $3.1 billion write-down on Thursday related to the firm's CDO hedges. Merrill had bought CDO guarantees from bond insurers including ACA Capital, a smaller player that's now struggling to survive. Most of the write-downs were related to ACA.

CIBC and French banking giant Credit Agricole unveiled similar write-downs in December, related to guarantees they bought from ACA.

'Whopping'

But ACA is much smaller than Ambac and MBIA. If the two larger bond insurers are downgraded, banks and brokers that have bought guarantees from them may have to write-down their exposures further.
Merrill has net CDO exposure of $4.8 billion. But that includes a lot of hedging, mainly through guarantees bought from bond insurers. Excluding those hedges, the brokerage firm still has a "whopping" $30.4 billion of CDOs on its balance sheet, Brad Hintz, an analyst at Bernstein Research, noted on Friday.
"We remain very uncomfortable with Merrill's CDO balance sheet exposure," the analyst wrote in a note to investors. "If the counterparties are downgraded, and they cannot post additional collateral, we would expect that Merrill Lynch would have to take a valuation reserve against that specific exposure."
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...x?guid={590076D4-FB70-4304-B6B4-C444A554401C}
 
Thanks for your post Z...I sort of figured that while Bush's announcements do tend to scare the crap out of me, and usually the markets...still I felt something else had to be behind today's further decline. The problem is this news is worse than a Bush briefing.. it's sort of the "other shoe being dropped" if you know what I mean. It feels like we have more downside coming..darn..

FS
 
Thanks for your post Z...I sort of figured that while Bush's announcements do tend to scare the crap out of me, and usually the markets...still I felt something else had to be behind today's further decline. The problem is this news is worse than a Bush briefing.. it's sort of the "other shoe being dropped" if you know what I mean. It feels like we have more downside coming..darn..

FS

You're welcome FogSailing,

Yup, the Bush speech, while dumb in itself, was used by the markets as a cover to sell. If you were looking at the FTSE and the currency markets like I did this morning, you would have seen that something was wrong hours before the speech. The bad news from ABK failing to raise capital and MBIA's ratings being put under review for possible downgrade were the real reason for the selling. These two news came out hours before the speech.
 
Boy did we make a error in judgment about Bernanke and Bush. It is like the want the market to crater. One thing on the Q&A from Bernanke was that he was ask if he was concerned with the weak dollar. His answer was NO that is the job of the Treasury and his job is to keep the economy going not matter what it does to the dollar.
 
350Z,
First, yesterday, I think we all were pretty disgusted with just about everything, that we heard, and were seeing.
Now question is: what can really be done to "fix" things. Obviously, many opinions (many rediculous!). I fully agree with your posts re: "Scary Stuff" - and wanted to pass along an "Economic Stimulus Plan", to you specifically, because it directly addresses your "scary stuff", and if anyone, you might be able to discern whether it might just have some merit!

OK, I'm just passing along what "Cramer" came up with. OK,OK, Cramer, I know, but please just hear it out, please.
Basically, last night, he said the US should just outright buy those ailing Mortgage Bond-insurers. He said likely cost would be pennies on the dollar) ~250B. This coincidenttly, he said, would be very close to amount Pres. Bush's "stimulus/rebate checks" to every American would cost.
Next he said something like if these insurers go under, then so do many of the largest banks, and then were all finished - conversely, if the US buys the insurers, then the US takes on their function, which basically allows for distributions to the ailing mortage-lending/banks). [He said this largely solves the problems almost overnight].

Now I've little knowledge in this area, but something seemed to have a "ring" of maybe at least sounding reasonable.

I was hoping that you might elaborate further - does anything sound reasonable here?
- You just seem to have a more in-depth understanding, on this issue. ;)
VR
 
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