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Couple lost more than a 1/3 of their nest egg. They invested in the L2040. Their strategy was buy/hold and DCA.

Disciplined savers who still took a hit

This young couple thrived by investing in target-date funds in their retirement accounts. Then came the crash.

By Yuval Rosenberg, Money Magazine contributing writer
February 19, 2009: 4:39 AM ET

(Money Magazine) -- Nathan and Stacey Zee have always been good with money. Diligent savers since their early twenties, the young Arlington, Va. couple used to hold monthly budget meetings - just the two of them - to review their spending and investments.

These days, Nathan, 39, e-mails Stacey, 35, a summary of their investments once a month, and the two, who both work for the government, discuss their goals annually, around the date of their wedding anniversary.

One reason they're so disciplined is that they've kept their investing plan remarkably simple. They invest exclusively through low-cost target-date funds because the Zees view these all-in-one portfolios as the easiest way to maintain their asset-allocation strategy. It's no wonder the couple had managed, at one point, to amass nearly $500,000 in their nest egg.
Unfortunately, discipline and simplicity couldn't protect them from last year's crash, which wiped out more than a third of their investments.

The pair haven't lost faith in the market, though Nathan admits, "If I needed this money anytime soon, I would be really stressed out." Yet with their first child on the way, college savings to consider now and hopes of retiring in around 20 years, the Zees want to know if they need to re-examine their goals and strategies.

Where they are now

Combined, Nathan, a technology process specialist for the Defense Department, and Stacey, who works on a commercial space project for the Federal Aviation Administration, earn $250,000 a year. They contribute the maximum ($15,500 per person in 2008) to their government thrift savings plans (TSP) as well as to their IRAs. They also have $250,000 in cash they're using to build an addition onto their $600,000 home. As for debts, all they have are their mortgages - a $379,000 loan on their house and $250,000 on a condo they bought as an investment property.

What they should do

Stick with their targets. In their IRA, the Zees have all their money in the Vanguard Target Retirement 2040 fund (VFORX), which exposes them to a mix of domestic and foreign stock funds as well as bonds. The fund also rebalances for them and gradually grows more conservative over time. This hassle-free approach is why they like the fund. Financial planner Annette Simon of Garnet Group in Bethesda, Md. says that while she prefers to construct a customized portfolio, this low-cost off-the-shelf option - along with a similar fund they use in their TSPs - is a fine choice.

But the couple must make sure they remain comfortable with the fund's strategy. Though the Zees want to retire in 2030, they chose the 2040 fund because of its greater equity stake (90%). The planner says that's not unreasonable, since they're young. Even after this downturn, Stacey says she and Nathan are comfortable being aggressive. "We ride the ups and downs through dollar-cost averaging," she says. But if their tolerance for risk ever changes, they need to revisit which target-date fund to use.

Sell their condo. The Zees bought a property in 2006 in nearby Silver Spring, Md. to take a stab at being landlords. The move hasn't really worked out, as the couple are hemorrhaging $400 a month on the condo after the mortgage and expenses. Simon says they should keep an eye on the market and look to sell once their renter's lease expires this year.
Whatever they can earn on an eventual sale - and the $400 they'd save each month - could be used to boost college savings. They are now socking away $100 a month in a 529 account in Nathan's name, which will be transferred to their child later. But Simon notes that "at $100 a month, their college savings will cover less than one year of private college."

Broaden their portfolio. The freed up cash should also be used to boost their overall retirement savings, the planner says. While Nathan and Stacey max out on their tax-deferred investing plans, they have the capacity to save more.
Rather than let that additional money sit, say, in cash, the Zees should open up a taxable investment account to supplement their TSPs. Not only will such an account give them access to a broader array of investment options, there are at times some added benefits. For example, investors in taxable accounts were able to get some tax relief after last year's crash by selling money-losing stocks - and using the losses to offset gains or up to $3,000 of ordinary income.
Nathan likes the idea. Had he and Stacey not bought their condo, they might have started a taxable portfolio earlier, he says. "When we sell the condo, we will definitely take her advice."
http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/18/retirement/makeover_savers.moneymag/index.htm?postversion=2009021904
 
mojo --

If I read it correctly, your post below is pretty gloomy -- and I can't say I disagree with you. Are we looking at things on the order of martial law in our future? :blink:

Steve

I'm not making any predictions about martial law Steve. I just see things deteriorating at an alarming pace. Not only in the US but worldwide.

Common sense tells me that what the Obama administration has planned so far won't come anywhere close to solving the problem. The socialist strategy will fail and at the same time continue to rapidly errode what's left of the US Constitution.

We have a price to pay and many refuse to accept it. Our country is bankrupt. How long before the dollar crashes?

I hope that what I'm saying is just an overeaction to what's going on and that I'm proven absolutlely wrong, except in my gold and silver position :)

Ultimately because of my faith I'm confident that good will triumph.
 
The Glen Beck show about a 2014 scenario, while openly doom and gloom oriented and full of disclaimers, was a real downer because it put timeframe and specifics together.
 
mojo --

I'm with you on the "good will prevail" thing, from an eternal perspective. In the mean time, though, I -- like you -- can see alot of angry people down the road in this country, and then our govt. curtailing freedoms in response -- hence my at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek "martial law" comment...

Steve
 
The Glen Beck show about a 2014 scenario, while openly doom and gloom oriented and full of disclaimers, was a real downer because it put timeframe and specifics together.
I'm watching it right now. It kind of reminds me of the duct tape scare of early 2003.
 
I wrote a comment for that idiot and decided I have better things to do that educate a moron.

People have been brainwashed to believed that everybody is ENTITLED to own a house. It's the American dream.

There's nothing wrong with renting. My parents rented when we were kids.
 
Currencies are pulling back a little from Friday's close. No signs of a rip your face off rally, yet. It doesn't look good considering the US market had a strong rally off the lows last Friday.

Australia and Japan both opened down over 1%.

Steve (Lies)man of CNBC posted an article today about the bank rescue plan.

Some details will be made available this week, but parts of the plan will take weeks, months and even more than a year to play out as the Obama administration puts together a program that they hope will return banks to long-term health.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/29332236

Steve (Lies)man is just a tool of the pigmen.


Markets are oversold and a lot of folks are expecting a rally. Oscar, on the other hand, is looking for more downside. His weekend video seems a little strange to me. I don't disagree with him that more downside is coming, but he is seeing way too many head and shoulders.

I'm looking for a big down day tomorrow so I can buy in S or I. I want to see capitulation, without the PPT's intervention.
 
Markets are oversold and a lot of folks are expecting a rally.
I am very curious what Monday will bring. I am actually not hearing much about an expected rally, which is why I am. This weekend's news programs were about as bleak as we've heard in a long time.

Oscar, on the other hand, is looking for more downside. His weekend video seems a little strange to me. I don't disagree with him that more downside is coming, but he is seeing way too many head and shoulders.
Oscar didn't rule out a rebound up to the old support. He just continues to say rallies need to be sold. That's all I'd expect too. 800-825 on S&P.

I'm looking for a big down day tomorrow so I can buy in S or I. I want to see capitulation, without the PPT's intervention.
Volume was actually very high on Friday and "almost" triggered a reversal day [on high volume], but the intraday reversal could not hold into the close. I will be surprised if we take out Friday's low on Monday, although seasonality is much stronger next week (in March) than this coming week. Obama's new raise taxes on businesses solution to cut the deficit isn't going to help either.

So, I am looking for a pop, but any rally over 800 and you can stick a fork in me.
 
Volume was actually very high on Friday and "almost" triggered a reversal day [on high volume], but the intraday reversal could not hold into the close. I will be surprised if we take out Friday's low on Monday, although seasonality is much stronger next week (in March) than this coming week. Obama's new raise taxes on businesses solution to cut the deficit isn't going to help either.

So, I am looking for a pop, but any rally over 800 and you can stick a fork in me.

You're looking for a pop because you're in the market.:)

We know what really happened on Friday afternoon. It was the old Steve Liesman sticksave. They did it too early IMO. They should have waited until the SPX was below 740.

I have an idicator that I use to watch for extreme conditions, and we are not even close. This reminds me of early Oct.
 
When I saw the 2014 scenario...it reminded me of current news in France and several South American countries...rapped by either high inflation, food shortages or high fuel prices. In 2010 elections are in the full swing here in the Philippines where I currently am...retired and all. We always stock....alot of rice, bottled water and other staples which keep and don't spoil...like beans, canned food etc. When some are rioting about the poor conditions here...which they will....because of their leaders...I will be able to avoid going to the stores if necessary. Even in the U.S. we always stocked up on canned food, bottled water, just in case of an earthquake or storm or whatever....it gives peace of mind in a crisis....one less thing to be concerned about. People get scared and things tend to happen...take care! That's my take!!!
 
I have an idicator that I use to watch for extreme conditions, and we are not even close. This reminds me of early Oct.
That's what I am afraid of. I made the mistake in October, of getting in too early.

You can say I am looking for a pop because I am in the market, but I'd like to think that I'm in the market because I am expecting a pop. I think the chicken / egg conversation is going on in another thread. :D
 
This just in...Asia markets rebound and U.S Futures turn positive on Citigroup's deal talk with U.S government with government taking a larger equity stake in Citigroup through common share ownership (40 percent).

Asia Stocks Rise, Erasing Earlier Declines, on Citigroup Report
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...Cxs&refer=home
By Shani Raja

Feb. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Asian stocks rose, led by technology and finance companies, on speculation the U.S. government will raise its stake in Citigroup Inc. to ease the global financial crisis and revive economic growth.
Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group Inc., Japan’s biggest bank, gained 0.7 percent in Tokyo after the Wall Street Journal reported that the U.S. may take a stake of as much as 40 percent of Citigroup’s common stock. Samsung Electronics Co., the world’s largest memory-chip maker, gained 2.7 percent in Seoul. BlueScope, Australia’s largest steelmaker, tumbled 7.7 percent after saying it may have a loss this half.
The MSCI Asia Pacific Index gained 1.1 percent to 76.86 at 11:46 a.m. in Tokyo, having earlier fallen 1.1 percent. The gauge lost 14 percent this year as the worsening economic slowdown hurt corporate profits.
Japan’s Nikkei 225 Stock Average lost 0.2 percent to 7,398.84. Toshiba Corp., Japan’s biggest chipmaker, slumped 7.8 percent after the Yomiuri newspaper reported the company is considering raising funds to strengthen its finances. Australia’s S&P/ASX 200 Index fell 1.3 percent.
Futures on the U.S. Standard & Poor’s 500 Index rallied 1.2 percent today following the Citigroup report. The gauge dropped 1.1 percent on Feb. 20. Citigroup Inc. and Bank of America Corp. tumbled as Senator Christopher Dodd, chairman of the Banking Committee, said it may be necessary to nationalize some banks for “a short time.”
To contact the reporter for this story: Shani Raja in Sydney at sraja4@bloomberg.net.
 
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