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who do you like in 2008?
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fabijo
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I'm definitely voting for Ron Paul, but not for him to run the country. It is not the President's job to run the country. A lot of what Huckabee has just started saying a month ago is exactly what Ron Paul has been running on for 20+ years. I like plenty of what each candidate is saying (except for most of the Republicans' stance on the Iraq war - especially McCain saying we should stay for 100 years if we can). But sometimes it just feels like words, not conviction. On the Democrat side, it may be the same thing (I just haven't been keeping up as much). I know that I like Kucinich for his stance on civil liberties and foreign policy. When I hear Obama speak, he seems like a good-hearted guy. I'm just not sure if his words are translatable to actions yet. Like it's been said, experience is what speaks, especially for someone who's running for President of the U.S.
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weatherweenie
Well-known member
No offense taken.
I agree that a lot of people who took out the loans are to blame.
There were also a lot of people that were preyed upon.
Idaho Dave
Member
Couldn't agree more
Viva_La_Migra
Well-known member
No offense, but much of the blame lies with the people who took out these loans as well. Not all of them were too stupid to understand what they were getting into. I had one of these loans at one time, but I got out of it long before the interest rate went up. I read the mountain of paperwork I signed for the loan and I understood exactly what was going on. Like accepting responsibility if I accidentally hit the wrong button on my IFT's, I accepted responsibility for my loans as well.I agree, there is plenty of blame to go around. I blame the credit companies in general, not just mortgage companies, for making credit too available.
Maybe it's too simplistic on my part, but I kind of feel the buck stops with the President. For what it's worth, I'm neither Republican or Democrat. I think they both stink!
alevin
Well-known member
As for me, I swing with the wind. I like one thing about Hillary, another about Obama, another about Biden (sad, truly sad he never got any traction), another about McCain, another about Richardson (he had my interest til I saw him in a debate), another about Huckabee, and I even like a few things about ron paul ( I did that to get Fabijo's goat-:cheesy. The most interesting slate of primary candidates I've seen in about 30 years. but I can only vote in one primary-rats! I'll probably dither til our primary arrives and make up my mind at the last minute between the first two. Notice who I didn't mention I liked?
. The most interesting slate of primary candidates I've seen in about 30 years. but I can only vote in one primary-rats! I'll probably dither til our primary arrives and make up my mind at the last minute between the first two. Notice who I didn't mention I liked?
weatherweenie
Well-known member
I agree, there is plenty of blame to go around. I blame the credit companies in general, not just mortgage companies, for making credit too available.
Maybe it's too simplistic on my part, but I kind of feel the buck stops with the President. For what it's worth, I'm neither Republican or Democrat. I think they both stink!
Maybe it's too simplistic on my part, but I kind of feel the buck stops with the President. For what it's worth, I'm neither Republican or Democrat. I think they both stink!
Weatherweenie,
I hate to ask this, but how do you blame an economy on the existing administration when the majority of the cruch is being blamed on the sub-prime markets?? These loans have been in use for years. As of 2004, most of these types of loans were on track with standard loans in regard to foreclosure rates. But when did subprime loans become legal? During the REAGAN run! Lookup Alternative Mortgage Transaction Parity Act (AMTPA) 1982 and the Tax Reform Act (TRA) 1986. Now that these loans are available and lending institutions offered these types of loans more and more, the blame lies on the administration? What about the companies? Where is THEIR blame?
By the way:
Should this president be held accountable? There are three (3) entities of the government and nobody seems to bring the other two into the blame.
Honestly, I respect and admire the information you have given in the past on this investment site. I enjoy seeing your inputs. But this post seemed to hit a nerve and I just wanted to know why you decided to hit this administration with the blame. I blame the companies. I blame the lendors who preyed on the uneducated and uninformed.
Sorry for the rant, but I had to get it out!
nnuut
Moderator | TSP Legend
Good words, I agree with both of you. BUT WHO? I know how to decide from among the others!!!
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Frixxxx
Moderator
Weatherweenie,
I hate to ask this, but how do you blame an economy on the existing administration when the majority of the cruch is being blamed on the sub-prime markets?? These loans have been in use for years. As of 2004, most of these types of loans were on track with standard loans in regard to foreclosure rates. But when did subprime loans become legal? During the REAGAN run! Lookup Alternative Mortgage Transaction Parity Act (AMTPA) 1982 and the Tax Reform Act (TRA) 1986. Now that these loans are available and lending institutions offered these types of loans more and more, the blame lies on the administration? What about the companies? Where is THEIR blame?
By the way:
Should this president be held accountable? There are three (3) entities of the government and nobody seems to bring the other two into the blame.
Honestly, I respect and admire the information you have given in the past on this investment site. I enjoy seeing your inputs. But this post seemed to hit a nerve and I just wanted to know why you decided to hit this administration with the blame. I blame the companies. I blame the lendors who preyed on the uneducated and uninformed.
Sorry for the rant, but I had to get it out!
12%ayear
Well-known member
The USA has faced challenging since 2000. The country needs experienced leaders who can try to fix this mess. Obama is not the one. All theat preaching is just fluff. People want change because they had 12 years of the Bushs(father and son) and 8 years of the Clintons. However; they are grabbing atone who talks a good game. the Clintons, you will get Bill back. If Obama gets in, the country will go from extreme to other. This Obama will withdrawal the troops too quick and sit down with Iran over coffee. You need a plan and also let the troops know that all the sweat and blood they shed for us for worth some progress.
weatherweenie
Well-known member
Each new president inherits the economic conditions that were created by the policies, including Trade Agreements of the previous administration. Some inherit a good stable economy and some don't. Let's see who was it that was president before G.W. Bush?
I said that!
I agree that the economy/stock market was coming down from it's boom as W took over. It has since recovered, somewhat, from the bust, but is on its way back down.
Whoever takes over from W will be inheriting a pretty weak economy, courtesy of W himself.
nnuut
Moderator | TSP Legend
Exactly, but as you know that is not the only thing wrong with this wrong way economy.
ayla
Member
I really dislike Mr. Jane Fonda Kerry!
Each new president inherits the economic conditions that were created by the policies, including Trade Agreements of the previous administration. Some inherit a good stable economy and some don't. Let's see who was it that was president before G.W. Bush?
I said that!
The IRAQ war was not inherited.
12%ayear
Well-known member
I am a Dem. and I also dislike Kerry and his wife.I really dislike Mr. Jane Fonda Kerry!
Each new president inherits the economic conditions that were created by the policies, including Trade Agreements of the previous administration. Some inherit a good stable economy and some don't. Let's see who was it that was president before G.W. Bush?
I said that!
nnuut
Moderator | TSP Legend
I really dislike Mr. Jane Fonda Kerry!
Each new president inherits the economic conditions that were created by the policies, including Trade Agreements of the previous administration. Some inherit a good stable economy and some don't. Let's see who was it that was president before G.W. Bush?
I said that!
Each new president inherits the economic conditions that were created by the policies, including Trade Agreements of the previous administration. Some inherit a good stable economy and some don't. Let's see who was it that was president before G.W. Bush?
I said that!
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