The Stimulus "Extras" (aka, the pork)

[CountryBoy]

Senate Democrats Add Golf Carts to Stimulus

The U.S. Senate’s stimulus package includes $300 million for environmentally friendly modes of transportation, including “neighborhood electric vehicles” — which are, in fact, golf carts.

The 778-page Senate bill includes this allocation: “For capital expenditures and necessary expenses of acquiring motor vehicles with higher fuel economy, including: hybrid vehicles; neighborhood electric vehicles; electric vehicles; and commercially-available, plug-in hybrid vehicles, $300,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2011.”

The Web site Townhall.com observes: “The Democrats thought they could fool you by renaming the money earmarked for golf carts in the stimulus bill as paying for ‘neighborhood electric vehicles’…

“Most people call them golf carts.”

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/senate_stimulus_golf_cart/2009/02/09/179762.html

How stupid do BHO and the libs think we are, this is an earmark or at least pork. :nuts:

Just another item the libs think is infrastructure. I'm sure this will produce thousands of jobs. If they would have just said it was going to be a welfare/socialist spending program, but no they had to pee on our feet and say it's raining. They are losing their credability pretty quickly call crap like this infrastrure, heck it ain't even welfare or a social giveaway. :laugh:

It's almost like tho old Gong Show, is it or isn't it infrastruture.

CB

 

[tsptalk]

The Stimulus "Extra"

Use this thread to post any stimulus pork items you find...

thanks!

 

[CountryBoy]

Re: The Stimulus "Extra"

Use this thread to post any stimulus pork items you find...

I'm sorry Tom, I just posted the golf cart link at about the same time as tis post. Please move my post over here. Again sorry.

CB

 

[tsptalk]

No problem CB. Your post gave me the idea so I wanted to broaden the thread name a little.

Thanks!

 

[tsptalk]

I would like to see a list published in newspapers / on the internet, of all of the programs and extras being put into this package, with the name of the representatives and senators who are for and against each item. If the item has less than 50% support, dump it.

I have a feeling that will clean things up pretty quickly.

 

[Steadygain]

I would like to see a list published in newspapers / on the internet, of all of the programs and extras being put into this package, with the name of the representatives and senators who are for and against each item. If the item has less than 50% support, dump it.

I have a feeling that will clean things up pretty quickly.

That's a GREAT IDEA !!

A Stimulus Package is the only possible solution and everyone wants this garbage to end...

but to create even more garbage is like thowing salt on the wounds.

 

[James48843]

Neighborhood Electric Vehicles, or NEV's, aren't golf carts.

BY law, they are vehicles with a top speed of 25 MPH, that don't have to meet the same crash standards as a normal automobile. The idea is since most trips are under 10 miles or so, many current cars can be replaced for short trips with NEVs in cities and towns. The

Here is an example of one:

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One company wants to build a plant near Boston to mass-produce for use in cities and suburban areas.


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http://www.boston.com/business/arti...c_car_builder_seeks_mass_site_for_production/


And the U.S. Army is buying 800 this year, and many more in the years ahead, as they only cost 1 to 3 cents per mile to operate. The planned purchase of 4,000 Neighborhood Electric Vehicles for the U.S. Army was approved under the Bush Administration.

http://www.army.mil/-newsreleases/2009/01/12/15707-army-announces-historic-electric-vehicle-lease/

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[CountryBoy]

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

"Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version). "

Later in the article

"But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

"Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt. "

That sure brings back some historical significance. (My comment)

If you really are honest about knowing what this Infrastructure Stimulus Package plans for your future health care, you'll want to read this, but then I'm sure there are many folks that believe that the old should just be left to die like in the '30's. (Again my comment)

CB

 

[nnuut]

I heard on the radio this morning that part of the bailout, 4.? BILLION is going to ACORN!! I didn't see that on the list. Stinks as payback for a job well done!!:worried:
Pardon me I was wrong on that number:

Obama’s Bill Hands ACORN $5.2 Billion Bailout

Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:06 PM

By: David A. Patten

A rising chorus of GOP leaders are protesting that the blockbuster Democratic stimulus package would provide up to a whopping $5.2 billion for ACORN, the left-leaning nonprofit group under federal investigation for massive voter fraud.
Most of the money is secreted away under an item in the now $836 billion package titled “Neighborhood Stabilization Programs.”
Ordinarily, neighborhood stabilization funds are distributed to local governments. But revised language in the stimulus bill would make the funds available directly to non-profit entities such as ACORN, the low-income housing organization whose pro-Democrat voter-registration activities have been blasted by Republicans. ACORN is cited by some for tipping the scales in the Democrats' favor in November.
According to Fox news, Sen. David Vitter, R-La., could appear to be a “payoff [more] http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_bailout_bill/2009/01/27/175729.html

 

[CountryBoy]

I heard on the radio this morning that part of the bailout, 4.? BILLION is going to ACORN!! I didn't see that on the list. Stinks as payback for a job well done!!:worried:
Pardon me I was wrong on that number:

Obama’s Bill Hands ACORN $5.2 Billion Bailout

Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:06 PM

By: David A. Patten

A rising chorus of GOP leaders are protesting that the blockbuster Democratic stimulus package would provide up to a whopping $5.2 billion for ACORN, the left-leaning nonprofit group under federal investigation for massive voter fraud.
Most of the money is secreted away under an item in the now $836 billion package titled “Neighborhood Stabilization Programs.”
Ordinarily, neighborhood stabilization funds are distributed to local governments. But revised language in the stimulus bill would make the funds available directly to non-profit entities such as ACORN, the low-income housing organization whose pro-Democrat voter-registration activities have been blasted by Republicans. ACORN is cited by some for tipping the scales in the Democrats' favor in November.
According to Fox news, Sen. David Vitter, R-La., could appear to be a “payoff [more] http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_bailout_bill/2009/01/27/175729.html

That doesn't suprise me. Take the time to research BHO's days as a community activist, state legislator and US Senator and you'll find his career is interwoven with ACORN for years. It's all public record. (insert shrug emoticon)

CB

 

[CountryBoy]

Another Assualt on the US Constituion

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123423384887066377.html

President Obama said in his inaugural address that he planned to "restore science to its rightful place" in government. That's a worthy goal. But statisticians at the Commerce Department didn't think it would mean having the director of next year's Census report directly to the White House rather than to the Commerce secretary, as is customary. "There's only one reason to have that high level of White House involvement," a career professional at the Census Bureau tells me. "And it's called politics, not science."

The larger debate prompted seven former Census directors -- serving every president from Nixon to George W. Bush -- to sign a letter last year supporting a bill to turn the Census Bureau into an independent agency after the 2010 Census. "It is vitally important that the American public have confidence that the census results have been produced by an independent, non-partisan, apolitical, and scientific Census Bureau," it read.

And for those that still believe in the Constituiton,

In Article I, Section 2 the US Constitution orders that "The
actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first
Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every
subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law
direct."

The Congress, by law directed that:

"The Secretary [of Commerce]
shall perform the functions and duties imposed upon him by this title,
may issue such rules and regulations as he deems necessary to carry out
such functions and duties, and may delegate the performance of such
functions and duties and the authority to issue such rules and
regulations to such officers and employees of the Department of
Commerce as he may designate."

As I see it, this is just another power grab and further desecrating our Constitution.

What the hell is BHO's hurry, by trying to whip these fastballs at us head high.

CB

 

[James48843]

The Census Bureau didn't come under the Commerce Department until the "Second War Powers Act of 1942." Prior to that, Census was it's own, indepedent body, reporting to the White House. Census information prior to that time was federally protected from being released to other agencies. The FBI, among others, wanted the data to find german and japanese ancestor individuals so they could surveille them. Census refused, citing legal reasons. The Second War Powers Act took them out of independant status, and put them under Commerce.

If you REALLY want to move things to where they were when the foundating fathers established our Constitution, CB, I'm sure we can do that.

You see, for the first fifty years, the Census was conducted by the U.S. Secretary of State's office.

If we did that today, C.B. , that would be Ms. Hillary's office who did the counting.

Are you sure you want to go back to the Founding Fathers intent on that one?

 

[budnipper1]

Another Assault on the US Constitution

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123423384887066377.html

President Obama said in his inaugural address that he planned to "restore science to its rightful place" in government. That's a worthy goal. But statisticians at the Commerce Department didn't think it would mean having the director of next year's Census report directly to the White House rather than to the Commerce secretary, as is customary. "There's only one reason to have that high level of White House involvement," a career professional at the Census Bureau tells me. "And it's called politics, not science."

The larger debate prompted seven former Census directors -- serving every president from Nixon to George W. Bush -- to sign a letter last year supporting a bill to turn the Census Bureau into an independent agency after the 2010 Census. "It is vitally important that the American public have confidence that the census results have been produced by an independent, non-partisan, apolitical, and scientific Census Bureau," it read.

And for those that still believe in the Constitution,

In Article I, Section 2 the US Constitution orders that "The
actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first
Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every
subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law
direct."

The Congress, by law directed that:

"The Secretary [of Commerce]
shall perform the functions and duties imposed upon him by this title,
may issue such rules and regulations as he deems necessary to carry out
such functions and duties, and may delegate the performance of such
functions and duties and the authority to issue such rules and
regulations to such officers and employees of the Department of
Commerce as he may designate."

As I see it, this is just another power grab and further desecrating our Constitution.

What the hell is BHO's hurry, by trying to whip these fastballs at us head high. CB

Surely, CB, you are not insinuating that BHO would want to control the recordings of the census, which will directly affect each and every state's ranking in the electoral college???
(cynicism intended)
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[James48843]

Correction- I made an error-

In the first Census in 1790, federal marshalls reported directly to the President.

Then it was run by the Secretary of State from the 1800 census to the 1840 Census.

Then it was run by the Department of the Interior from 1850 to 1880.

Then is was it's own, indepent agency, 1880-1903.

It was put under the Department of Commerce and Labor in 1903, then, when Commerce and Labor spilt, it followed Commerce.

It moved out of D.C, into Maryland, as part of the Commerce/Census deal in 1942 as part of the Second War Powers Act (for the reasons cited above).

So, if we followed the way it was done when the founding fathers wrote the Constitution, it would be just like it was done in the 1790 Census-

Federal marshalls, reporting Directly to the President.

Source: http://www.census.gov/prod/2000pubs/cff-4.pdf

 

[budnipper1]

More links for History of the Census

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/includes/census_timeline.htm

http://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/tHistcnsus.shtml

http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/collections/stats/histcensus/background/

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=history+of+the+census&aq=f
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[CountryBoy]

Surely, CB, you are not insinuating that BHO would want to control the recordings of the census, which will directly affect each and every state's ranking in the electoral college???
(cynicism intended)
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Nah Budnipper,

BHO is as pure as the driven snow and would never think of such a thing that even has a whiff of socialism.

CB

 

[CountryBoy]

Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

"Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version). "

Later in the article

"But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

"Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt. "

That sure brings back some historical significance. (My comment)

If you really are honest about knowing what this Infrastructure Stimulus Package plans for your future health care, you'll want to read this, but then I'm sure there are many folks that believe that the old should just be left to die like in the '30's. (Again my comment)

CB

As the package is now written our doctors will have to get approval from the government for treating our illness's. It won't happen immediately, but it's in the package and is coming. :blink:

CB

 

[James48843]

As the package is now written our doctors will have to get approval from the government for treating our illness's. It won't happen immediately, but it's in the package and is coming. :blink:

CB

Let me guess CB- I bet you heard that scare tactic from Rush Limbaugh yesterday, didn't you?

Here is the truth:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200902100001

The plan works to establish a standardized electronic recordkeeping system- not to have federal control of what care your doctor is giving. That's simply false.

But don't let facts get in the way...

 

[James48843]

...
That sure brings back some historical significance. (My comment)

If you really are honest about knowing what this Infrastructure Stimulus Package plans for your future health care, you'll want to read this, but then I'm sure there are many folks that believe that the old should just be left to die like in the '30's. (Again my comment)

CB

Let's see, where do I even begin?

"I'm sure there are many folks that believe that the old should just be left to die like the the 30's..."

You mean like the people that faught against the establishment of medicare, and medicaid? Social Security was, after all, a program initiated by and signed into law by the Democrats (FDR), and medicare and medicaid was pushed through and signed by the Democrats (LBJ).

 

[CountryBoy]

Let's see, where do I even begin?

"I'm sure there are many folks that believe that the old should just be left to die like the the 30's..."

You mean like the people that faught against the establishment of medicare, and medicaid? Social Security was, after all, a program initiated by and signed into law by the Democrats (FDR), and medicare and medicaid was pushed through and signed by the Democrats (LBJ).

Huh? This has to do with not giving treatment to old folks, because their usefulness has been used up. I'm against that.

"Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision. "

This is what I'm talking about or did you not read this portion of the link. Plus cost/benefit ratio may be unfamiliar also. I'm not advocating the reduction of health care for the elderly at all, but it's buried in the Welfare Stimuls package and will be doled out based on the rate of return from the patient versus the cost of the procedure.

Sorry for any misunderstanding.

CB