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SEC Charges Goldman With Fraud

"WASHINGTON—The Securities and Exchange Commission charged Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and one of its vice presidents for defrauding investors by misstating and omitting key facts about a financial product tied to subprime mortgages."

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If you can't access the WSJ, here is another source and here's Bloomberg's
 
Yep...but is this our good "jump-in" opportunity?

Checking the -C- fund...we've just tipped down just below the 10-day EMA. This has not happened since mid February. Given that this is just one (albeit big) financial company, and dozens of other moderately good things have copme out about the state of the economy in general, AND given the recent resilience of the market in the past 2 months...I'm thinking (betting) that this was a great buy time for those of us stting in the -G-.

Putting my money where my brain/mouth is. Went 50% C and 50% S at 1158 EDT.

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Isn't it funny how you and I can be on the opposite side of so many issues? I'm taking most of my money out of the market, because I think this market is due for a significant pullback. Good luck to you, though. :D
 
On the surface this works for the Administration because they're perceived as being hard on the facilitators of the fiasco. But charging a GS VP and Paulson as third party, isn't big enough to take down the whole ship. There are to many GS'ers all over both sides of the aisle for this to go much deeper... they're offering up a lamb for the slaughter. If they go private after all this is said and done, they lose the keys to the Treasury and Fed. So at this point in time isn't it wise to call this an on the surface dog and pony show?
 
Looks like a "useful" Dog & Pony show to me.
Goldman has enough dirty on the politicians to make these charges go away, and the politicians know it. Manufacture a “crisis”, charge them with the civil fraud, push through the legislation that the “people” want on their divided common man vs. rich wall street, and then...poof, magically the charges get settled for a nice cool 10 million or 20, who cares.

Goldman will pay their “penalty” promise not to “do it again” and make that 10 or 20 mil back by lunch time and their 1:00PM tee time!
 
If a House is divided against itself that house will fall.


Robert Cogorno Government: Former Gephardt aide and one-time floor director for Steny Hoyer (D-MD.), the No. 2 House Democrat. Goldman: Works for [Steve] Elmendorf Strategies, which lobbies for Goldman.

Jon Corzine Government: Governor of New Jersey from 2006-2010; U.S. Senator from 2001-2006 where he served on the Banking and Budget Committees. Goldman: Former Goldman CEO. Worked at Goldman from 1975-1998.

William Dudley Government: President Federal Reserve Bank of New York City (2009-present) Goldman: Partner and Managing Director. Worked at Goldman from 1986-2007.

Dina Farrell Government: Deputy Director, National Economic Council, Obama Administration since January 2009. Goldman: Financial Analyst at Goldman Sachs from 1987-1989.

Michael Paese Government: Top Staffer to House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank. Goldman: Director of Government Affairs/Lobbyist (2009)

Mark Patterson Government: Treasury Department Chief of Staff since February 2009. Goldman: Lobbyist for Goldman Sachs from 2003-2008.

Henry "Hank" Paulson Government: Secretary of the Treasury from March 2006 to January 2009; White House Domestic Council, serving as Staff Assistant to the President from 1972 to 1973; Staff Assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon from 1970 to 1972. Goldman: Former Goldman Sachs CEO. Worked at Goldman from 1974-2006.

Adam Storch Government: COO of the SEC's Enforcement Division (October 2009-present). He was 29 years old at the time of his appointment. Goldman: Former Vice President at Goldman Sachs where he worked from 2004-2009.

GS and the Dims: All in the same bed together
 
Looks like a "useful" Dog & Pony show to me.
Goldman has enough dirty on the politicians to make these charges go away, and the politicians know it. Manufacture a “crisis”, charge them with the civil fraud, push through the legislation that the “people” want on their divided common man vs. rich wall street, and then...poof, magically the charges get settled for a nice cool 10 million or 20, who cares.

Goldman will pay their “penalty” promise not to “do it again” and make that 10 or 20 mil back by lunch time and their 1:00PM tee time!
Like Walmart paying an $11m fine for hiring illegal aliens back in 2005. They made it back by noon the same day.
 
No FAB1- I think you miss the point.

The story here was first published on Huffington Post back in February. It's much more complex, and yet, at the same time, much more simple that your cited list of bad buys.

Here is a link to read the details of this Goldman case:

http://www.deepcapture.com/john-paulson-and-the-greatest-pump-and-short-fraud-ever/


An extract:

" “Prior to 2006, there were not many opportunities for naked short selling on subprime securitizations. But in January of that year, investment banks launched a new product, which enabled Paulson to place those bets on a large scale. The ABX index, a sort of Dow Jones Average of subprime mortgage securities, facilitated benchmarking the price of credit default swaps.”

In fact, it was a black box company called the Markit Group that created the ABX index. The banks were minor shareholders in Markit Group and provided data. I have noted in a previous blog that the Markit Group is a dubious outfit to say the least, and there is good reason to suspect that the direction of the ABX index was influenced by hedge fund managers and their allies at the big banks. I do not have evidence that Paulson was one of those hedge funds, but authorities ought to be asking questions.

Fiderer goes on to suggest that bad loans to homeowners were a significant cause of the financial crisis. On this front, I disagree with him. Certainly, some mortgage lenders were unscrupulous, and there was a certain amount of predatory lending, but the conventional wisdom that this is what crashed the economy is simply false.

At the time that the mortgage securities markets began to go south in 2007, defaults on subprime loans had increased only slightly month-to-month, and were in fact considerably lower than in earlier years. In the second quarter of 2007, for example, only 7.7 percent of subprime loans were 30 days past due, slightly up from 6.76 percent in the second quarter of 2006, but considerably lower than the 9.9 percent in the second quarter of 2001.

The problem lied not in the loans themselves, but in the fact that the loans had been packaged (apparently, to a large extent, at the behest of John Paulson and perhaps other bearish billionaires) into fraudulent securities that were traded and probably manipulated by a select number of hedge funds and large banks. In a somewhat similar scheme, hedge funds often pump up the stock of public companies before initiating short selling attacks aimed at demolishing those same companies.

The economy was brought to its knees by a few powerful and eminently dirty players on Wall Street, not by poor people who had the temerity to buy themselves houses."
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More at that link above.
 
Yep...but is this our good "jump-in" opportunity?
Just do the opposite of what I do, and you'll be fine. :rolleyes:

I think we need a test of the 50-day EMA at some point, and this could be the opportunity. I will be a buyer if we see 1150-1160. The question is, will we ever see those levels again this year? I'm a bear longer-term, but right now buying the dips is working, and until the 50-day EMA is taken out I think we have to continue to do that.
 
Just do the opposite of what I do, and you'll be fine. :rolleyes:

I couldn't agree more! :D

Some of the guys in my office ask me every day if I am in or out, so that they can do the opposite of me. This year- they are doing pretty darn good! :blink:
 
So... if the Goldman guy gets convicted, what are the chances that the SEC will be able to collect back money earned from the illegal transactions?

And How much money does Goldman still owe in bailout money, anyway? If they end up going bankrupt as a result of all the civil suits that a guilty verdict might bring- does that in itself jeopardize the repayment of taxpayers funds by Goldman?

Last year this article said Goldmans was planning on repaying what they owed in bailout money. I don't know if they ever paid it all back:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2009-04-14-tarp-repay-bank-bailout_N.htm


Oh, what a tangled web they weave,
when Goldman's hacks start to deceive....:mad:
 
Some of us are not delusional - anyone who seriously thinks GS is going to be "punished" by the B. Zero adminstration must be watching (believing) MSNBC / CNN.

Serious? Hardly a "hand-slapping"

Civil charges, not criminal. So, nobody is going to be shut down, or sent to jail.

When the Fed bailed out AIG, nearly all that money passed through to Goldman.

This is a joke, of course. The folks at GS are just doing their quid pro quo back to the Fed. And the PR of “doing their job” is completed by the SEC.

This is even more pathetic than Merrill Lynch and Elliot Spitzer back in 2001/2002

Zero promised more "transparancy" we got it, anyone can see right thru this hokum

CORRUPTION
 
The economy was brought to its knees by a few powerful and eminently dirty players on Wall Street, not by poor people who had the temerity to buy themselves houses."

No Kidding. And to which presidental candidate did the "boys" at GS donate millions to?

Bless my soul. Dont tell me this exposing of fraud by GS is just to help cram through more bank reform/regulation by the current WH?

Sometimes I really wish I didnt know so much of the truth about the forces that are at work. I hardly think anyone is going to convince me otherwise though.
 
In my way of thinking the timing of these charges against Goldman Sacs is ironic and not just a coincidence that Obama is pushing the FINANCIAL REGULATION BILL. Let's hope the Admin doesn't over due the control of the private Financial Organizations to the point of basically instructing them how to run their PRIVATE companies business'! Surely their are changes and restrictions that are needed to control the Cheats but not so much to make them another Gov't Organization.:cool:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHr6dPwG9SVc&pos=3
 
The "Boys" at Goldman Sachs have no political leanings. They're like Neocons...they're smart....and have no political soul.

They go with who they think the wiinner will be, and they hedge the bet by donating to both for awhile...till a clear frontrunner emerges. Go and find the last time Goldman Sachs ever donated more to a "loser" rather than a "winner". Obama was a frontrunner for most of the summer/fall of 2008 (minus a few Palin days around Labor Day). Thats' why they donated more to Obama in '08

and more to Bush in 04'
" " "............Clinton in the 90's
" " ".............Bush/Reagan in the 80's.

here is an example from 2004. donating to Bush over Kerry by 2-1.
http://projects.publicintegrity.org/bop2004/report.aspx?aid=374

Exactly, it's not a Rep/Dem thing as so many are misled to believe... GS, XOM, MON, WMT take your pick, they're politically agnostic and have poweful lobbies, it's nothing new. Votes may buy people office, but contributions buy corporations policy. Tea-baggers don't seem up to task to changing the real forces, they are simply not equipped and ill-informed.
 
Goldman Suit Harnessed by Obama Aides for Internet Ad Campaign

By Patrick O’Connor

April 18 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama’s political advisers are trying to harness the government’s case against Goldman Sachs Group Inc. to build support for a financial- markets overhaul pending in Congress.
A Google Inc. search of “Goldman Sachs SEC” yields an advertisement entitled “Help Change Wall Street” that is sponsored by Organizing for America, Obama’s official political arm outside the White House.
“Help Pres. Obama Reform Wall Street and Create Jobs,” the ad says. “Families First!”
The ad coincides with the Securities and Exchange Commission lawsuit filed April 16 against Goldman Sachs and a company executive. The civil suit became public as the election- year fight over financial regulatory reform intensifies.
Google AdWords allow companies, advocacy groups and politicians to target Internet browsers who enter certain words or phrases in the company’s search engine. Advertisers pay for the traffic those specific search terms generate.
Brad Woodhouse, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee, said the most recent ad is part of a two-week-old online campaign “which included a wide variety of search terms related to Wall Street and Wall Street reform.”
“We have all kinds of online advertising up to allow folks who are searching and reading online to get involved with Organizing for America and the president and make a difference on his agenda,” Woodhouse said in an e-mail. “We’ve been running online ads since early last year. We watch closely what terms folks are searching and set our ads accordingly.”
Ad Link
The ad link takes browsers to a page on my.barackobama.com that features a picture of the president and the following quote: “We’ve seen and lived the consequences of what happens when there’s too little accountability on Wall Street and too little protection for Main Street. It is time for real change.
This online campaign coincides with a renewed push by the president and his allies both on and off Capitol Hill to generate support for an overhaul of the country’s financial regulatory structure. A bill before the Senate would establish a consumer protection agency within the government, require financial firms to plan for their own demise and prohibit proprietary trading by commercial banks.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, said he plans to bring a bill to the floor this week. All 41 Senate Republicans have complicated that timeline by signing a letter to express their opposition to a bill approved by the Banking Committee. Reid needs at least one Republican to start debate on the package.
“I am very confident that we’re going to have the votes for a strong package of financial reforms,” Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I’m very confident we’re going to have a strong bill.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=advwRCgo8WwI&pos=3
 
“We’ve seen and lived the consequences of what happens when there’s too little accountability on Wall Street and too little protection for Main Street. It is time for real change.
Yep.

The President and the Democratic Senate begin to push a bill to harness those "Too big to fail" bankers, and bring some long-term stability to the markets.

And the republicans all band together to fight the potential regulation of the finance industry.

Yep - that's about right.

One side is for the people.

And the other side is for the huge financial special interests that nearly wrecked this economy.

My hope is that they pass something that will break all those "too big to fail" corporations into little pieces, so that no single company can ever be considered again as "too big to fail".

That's my hope.
 
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