Passenger Jet Down Over Ukraine

[James48843]

[h=1]US tracked missile that
brought down
Malaysian Airlines Flight 17[/h] Source: Yahoo News

The United States detected the launch of the “specific missile” that brought down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 last week, a senior administration official told reporters on Tuesday.

U.S. intelligence followed “this specific missile” as it was fired from “a geographic area” controlled by Russia-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, said the official, who requested anonymity. It followed the near-vertical flight path characteristic of an SA-11 launch.

“We did pick up a launch. We were able to have the ability to track this specific launch,” the official said. It was not clear whether the official was referring to real-time monitoring by U.S. intelligence, or whether they went back through surveillance data after learning of the attack.

The official spoke as the United States ramped up efforts to convince skeptics that Moscow-backed rebels armed and trained by Russia shot down the passenger jet, killing all 298 people aboard. Russia has disputed the largely circumstantial American case and rejected responsibility.

Read more: US tracked missile that brought down Malaysian Airlines Flight 17

 

[James48843]

US outlines case against Russia on downed plane

Source: AP-Excite

By MATTHEW LEE

WASHINGTON (AP) — Video of a rocket launcher, one surface-to-air missile missing, leaving the likely launch site. Imagery showing the firing. Calls claiming credit for the strike. Recordings said to reveal a cover-up at the crash site.

"A buildup of extraordinary circumstantial evidence ... it's powerful here," said Secretary of State John Kerry, a former prosecutor, and it holds Russian-supported rebels in eastern Ukraine responsible for shooting down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, with the Kremlin complicit in the deaths of nearly 300 passengers and crew members.

"This is the moment of truth for Russia," said Kerry, leveling some of Washington's harshest criticism of Moscow since the crisis in Ukraine began.

"Russia is supporting these separatists. Russia is arming these separatists. Russia is training these separatists, and Russia has not yet done the things necessary in order to try to bring them under control," he said.

FULL story at link.

A Ukrainian investigator looks at charred debris at the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17? near the village of Hrabove, eastern Ukraine, Sunday, July 20, 2014. Rebels in eastern Ukraine took control Sunday of the bodies recovered from downed Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, and the U.S. and European leaders demanded that Russian President Vladimir Putin make sure rebels give international investigators full access to the crash site.(AP Photo/Evgeniy Maloletka)



Read more: Excite News - US outlines case against Russia on downed plane

 

[Warrenlm]

This will take more than a day to sort out.

ATC recordings confiscated: Ukraine's Security Service Has Confiscated Air Traffic Control Recordings With Malaysian Jet | Zero Hedge

Elsewhere reports on the black box (es?) being.....

 

[Frixxxx]

Does Ukraine have surface to air missle systems?

Yes, they have SA-4, 5, 6, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17 & 20s in their inventory.

 

[nasa1974]

Does Ukraine have surface to air missle systems?

 

[nnuut]

Re: * RUSSIA downs civilian airliner?

What were they thinking when they flew right over a WAR ZONE? Is this the same airlines that lost the 777 off of Somalia? Funny thing about that, but NOT funny.

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

Re: * RUSSIA downs civilian airliner?

This one has a time stamp on it of 11:15 am:

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

That map came from a program called "Flightaware".
FlightAware - Flight Tracker / Flight Status / Flight Tracking


It has a 10 minute built in delay in the display of the track.

The actual track continues until 30 miles from Russian boarder, then disappears.

Here is the actual flight track:
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MAS17/MH17) crashes in Ukraine

Right, I know my image was from Flightaware. I've used similar sites before to track my own flights. I'm not saying that is the source of what the news used... I have no idea what they used; but the map they showed this morning was similar to that one. I just searched google images to find one that looked like what I remember seeing. The graphics were different, but the trail ended at about the same spot... no where near Russia.

I'm curious as to why the huge discrepancy between the two flight paths... This was after 11am EST.

 

[James48843]

The maps I saw on the news earlier today showed losing contact with the plane just inside the Ukraine western border... no where near the eastern boarder with Ruissia.

I'll see if I can find them.

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That map came from a program called "Flightaware".
FlightAware - Flight Tracker / Flight Status / Flight Tracking


It has a 10 minute built in delay in the display of the track.

The actual track continues until 30 miles from Russian boarder, then disappears.

Here is the actual flight track:
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MAS17/MH17) crashes in Ukraine

 

[k0nkuzh0n]

The maps I saw on the news earlier today showed losing contact with the plane just inside the Ukraine western border... no where near the eastern boarder with Ruissia.

I'll see if I can find them.

On edit:

 

[James48843]

23 Americans on Malaysian flight

Victims were strewn up to 10 miles away from the crash site.

Their nationalities were not immediately available, but Reuters reported 23 were U.S. citizens. German broadcaster RTL reported that 71 Dutch nationals were aboard. Nine British nationals and four French were also on the flight.
Malaysian airliner with 295 aboard crashes in Ukraine

 

[James48843]

1. Terrorists from DNR possess BUK (nato SA-11 Gadfly) SAM-missile complex (as reported by Russian media):

"DNR militia took control over military air defence facility № А-1402 with SAM rocket complex BUK"
ИТАÐ*-ТАСС: Международная панорама - Ополченцы ДНÐ* взяли под контроль воинскую часть ПВО с зенитно-ракетными комплексами "Бук" 29 june 2014

"Donetsk air is protected by SAM BUK"
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"Flash: clean sky above donetsk - spetsnaz DNR captured military air defence base and captured BUK S.A.M." ??????: ?????? ???? ??? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ???????? ???????? ???????? ????? ??? | ??????? ?????

2. Self-claimed confirmation of Strelkov-Girkin DNR terrorists leader today, 17.07.2014. Place and time perfectly matches boeing crash site. Screenshot (was erased from their group later):

Girkin claims that they hit AN-24 Ukrainian supply ship you can see clearly, that they attached videos from Boeing crash site there. Early 17th of July, Life News confirmed this as well: Ополченцы сообщили о сбитом Ан-26 на востоке Украины - Первый по срочным новостям — LIFE | NEWS

See the videos:



3. Kurginyan revelations. He approved that pro-Russian DNR terrorists possess BUK:



4. Tweets from local citizens (hours before the tragedy!):
https://twitter.com/MOR2537/status/489709431467171841
https://twitter.com/WowihaY/status/489698009148837888

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5. Historical context.

For a few days before the Boeing tragedy, Ukraine officials stated that DNR terrorists now possess new SAM weapon, capable of hitting vessels at high altitudes:
боевики сбивают самолеты: Ð’ СНБО заявляют, что у террористов есть военная техника, способная сбивать самолеты на больших высотах - боевиÐ

6. First video of BUK from DNR urgently leaving the crime scene:

Сбитый Боинг: Ð’ сети появились кадры, где видно как комплекс Бук покидает место преступления. ВИДЕО - Ð*оссия, самолет, терроризм, Ð*оссийск

7. Ukrainian security service on their official channel intercepted terrorist Bezler phone which confirms Boeing hit:

Translation:

0:20: A: Just now, just now, "Minera" group downed an airplane. It fell on Yenakivo.
0:26: B: Pilots? Where are the pilots?
0:29: A: We're going now to search and take photos of the wreckage.
0:33: B: How long ago?
0:34: A: About 30 minutes.

0:44: C: Yes, "Major"
0:45: D: From Chernuhino, they downed the plane.
0:48: C: Who?
0:49: C: From Chernuhino post, cossacks that are stationed at Chernukino.
0:56: C: The plane broke up in mid-air, near Petropavlosk mine. First 200 (ed: ?). Found first 200 (ed: ?). Civilian.
1:12: D: So what's going on?
1:15: C: Stupid civilian plane.
1:18: D: Understood. Are there many people?
1:20: C: FUBAR. Wreckage falling right in peoples yards.
1:24: D: What model?
1:26: C: I haven't figured it out yet. Haven't yet gotten to the main debris. I'm still where the first bodies fell.
1:31: C: There's wreckage of internal containers, seats, bodies.
1:35: D: Understood. Are there any weapons?
1:37: C: Nothing at all. Civilian stuff, medical supplies, towels, toilet paper.
1:43: D: Any documents?
1:45: C: Yes. Indonesian student. From Thompson university.

1:52: About that plane shot down near Snezhnovo Torez. It turned out to be a passenger plane. Fell near Grabovo, there's lots of bodies, women and children. Right now the cossacks are inspecting it.
2:03: On TV they are saying AN-26, Ukrainian transport, but are saying it's labeled Malaysian Airlines.
2:12: What was it doing in Ukrainian territory?
2:16: Maybe it was transporting spies. Who knows. It's war.

 

[James48843]

Smoking gun-

Ukrainian intel releases phone call transcript.



Internet sleuths nailed Malaysian MH17 as a missile attack hours before anyone else... - Democratic Underground

 

[WorkFE]

We were there at the same time. I also remember Reagan vs. Qaddafi in 1986 and the USS Vincennes in 1988.

 

[James48843]

I remember gong on Alert in Germany after the Russians shot down Korean Air flight 007 in 1983. Spent hours in the woods -the first time I ever had live ammo being issued to me whole in uniform.

Now we don't even have enough armed forces left to make a statement.

 

[James48843]

The An-26 was shot down Monday

. Looks like at least four different planes shot down in last 48 hours.

Also reports last night of Russian Army surface to air missile military unit driving inside Ukraine and in that area last night .

 

[WorkFE]

The military commander of the rebels, a Russian named Igor Strelkov, had written on his social media page shortly before the report of the airliner being downed that his forces had brought down an Antonov An-26 in the same area. It is a turboprop transport plane of a type used by Ukraine's forces.
Ukraine says rebels shoot down Malaysian airliner, 295 dead | Reuters

Uh, maybe you shot down a civilian airliner

 

[James48843]

Re: * RUSSIA downs civilian airliner?

More from the UK's "Daily Telegraph":

• Interfax reports that a Malaysian plane has crashed in Ukraine
• The plane was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur
• 295 people were onboard
• Reports that the plane could have been shot down


16.50 Reports suggest that the plane was shot down by a surface-to-air missile called a BUK.

Colin Freeman explains:

The BUK is a self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air missile systems in the Soviet era and designed to engage cruise missiles, smart bombs, aircraft and and unmanned aerial vehicles. Modern versions can reach up to 80,000 feet.

Malaysia Airlines plane crashes on Ukraine-Russia border - live - Telegraph

 

[James48843]

Re: * RUSSIA downs civilian airliner?

Video from the scene in Ukraine:

 

[James48843]

Re: * RUSSIA downs civilian airliner?

Less than an hour ago, Ukraine claimed Russia shot down one of it's SU-25 fighter jets along the border between Ukraine and Russia.

What do you want to bet that the Malaysian BVoeing 777 was mistaken for a Ukrainian fighter and shot down by Russia?

Ukraine accuses Russia of shooting down jet

Source: AFP

A Russian jet has shot down a Ukrainian war plane, Ukraine’s military has claimed, in a dramatic escalation of tensions on the two countries' common border.

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The spokesperson said the incident happened at about 7pm local time.

“A war plane of the Russian armed forces carried out a rocket attack on an Su-25 of the Ukrainian armed forces, which was carrying out missions on Ukrainian territory,” the spokesman said. “Our plane was shot down, the pilot ejected and was evacuated to a safe place.”

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The Russian defence ministry has not commented on the allegation.

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However, rebel forces claimed to have downed two of the jets on Wednesday and another on Tuesday. They have also claimed responsibility for the downing of an An-26 transport aircraft shot down on Monday.

Read more: Ukraine accuses Russia of shooting down jet - Telegraph