stebbins777
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What are your views on tsp loans?
Thanks, Dave
What are your views on tsp loans?
Thanks, Dave
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I would not take a loan on my TSP unless it is to buy a 1st home. I feel it would be a challenge for me to repay my own money (rationalizations) if there was another reason to take out a loan.
The bank will loan me money for vehicles, that is the only reason I wouldapply foraloan.
That is my opinion concerning my money.
Have a great week!
Mike
I would not take a loan on my TSP unless it is to buy a 1st home. I feel it would be a challenge for me to repay my own money (rationalizations) if there was another reason to take out a loan.
The bank will loan me money for vehicles, that is the only reason I wouldapply foraloan.
That is my opinion concerning my money.
Have a great week!
Mike
stebbins777
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I guess it's okay to take out a tsp loan at 4% interest and pay off a credit card costing you 14-20%. But the key is....to pay of that tsp loan quick.
thanks for the reply
I guess it's okay to take out a tsp loan at 4% interest and pay off a credit card costing you 14-20%. But the key is....to pay of that tsp loan quick.
thanks for the reply
Show-me
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stebbins777 wrote:
I would certainly agree with the above especially beings all principle AND interest is paid right back into your account. Sure beats paying interest to someone else! Learning a valuable lesson and self discipline are the key. Bump up the contributions to your TSP account. Credit cards...........foooy cut’em up!
Cut and paste for tsp.gov
The interest rate you pay for the life of the loan is the latest available interest rate for the G Fund at the time your application is processed. The interest you pay on the loan will go into your TSP account, along with repayments of the loan principal. Visit Current Information on this Web site or call the ThriftLine to find out the current interest rate for TSP loans. Also, if you use the Loan Calculator on this Web site, the calculator will use the current rate automatically.
stebbins777 wrote:
I would certainly agree with the above especially beings all principle AND interest is paid right back into your account. Sure beats paying interest to someone else! Learning a valuable lesson and self discipline are the key. Bump up the contributions to your TSP account. Credit cards...........foooy cut’em up!
Cut and paste for tsp.gov
The interest rate you pay for the life of the loan is the latest available interest rate for the G Fund at the time your application is processed. The interest you pay on the loan will go into your TSP account, along with repayments of the loan principal. Visit Current Information on this Web site or call the ThriftLine to find out the current interest rate for TSP loans. Also, if you use the Loan Calculator on this Web site, the calculator will use the current rate automatically.
biggdog1
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Stebbins, a TSP loan is the cheapest money you can borrow ( 4% vs. 14-22%). You must remember though you are "borrowing your retirement", so try to get the TSP loan paid ASAP. When I retire May06 I will be using about 1/2 of my TSP to get debt free. Good Luck !!!
Stebbins, a TSP loan is the cheapest money you can borrow ( 4% vs. 14-22%). You must remember though you are "borrowing your retirement", so try to get the TSP loan paid ASAP. When I retire May06 I will be using about 1/2 of my TSP to get debt free. Good Luck !!!
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Mike
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It'd make the most sense to borrow against the TSP in a bear market where you can't make much of a return on your money anyway.
In general though, I'd strongly advise against borrowing against retirement - this would short-change the inherent advantage of the account which is compounding over a long period of time.
It'd make the most sense to borrow against the TSP in a bear market where you can't make much of a return on your money anyway.
In general though, I'd strongly advise against borrowing against retirement - this would short-change the inherent advantage of the account which is compounding over a long period of time.
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I agree with Mike wholeheartedly. 2000-2002 would have been a good time to borrow, but I borrowed 13k in 2003, just when equities were making a comeback. I borrowed so that I could put 20% down on my home and knock a couple of points off of my mortgage. I’m still not certain how bad it hurt me. I was invested in the C, S, and I funds, with annual returns of 28%, 43% and 38% that I lost out on. I’m not an economic pro or even come close when it comes to all of this economic stuff, but I’m not too bad at percentages. Of course if you were invested 100% in the G-fund, which returned 4.11% in 2003 it probably would not be that big of a deal.
My recommendation is to weigh out all possible alternatives before making a decision to borrow from your retirement plan and then do so only as a last resort.
The good newswas that I paid it back in just over two years, but it was a hefty monthly payment to accomplish this task.
I agree with Mike wholeheartedly. 2000-2002 would have been a good time to borrow, but I borrowed 13k in 2003, just when equities were making a comeback. I borrowed so that I could put 20% down on my home and knock a couple of points off of my mortgage. I’m still not certain how bad it hurt me. I was invested in the C, S, and I funds, with annual returns of 28%, 43% and 38% that I lost out on. I’m not an economic pro or even come close when it comes to all of this economic stuff, but I’m not too bad at percentages. Of course if you were invested 100% in the G-fund, which returned 4.11% in 2003 it probably would not be that big of a deal.
My recommendation is to weigh out all possible alternatives before making a decision to borrow from your retirement plan and then do so only as a last resort.
The good newswas that I paid it back in just over two years, but it was a hefty monthly payment to accomplish this task.
D
Dave M
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A loan sounds like a good deal, until you realize you are paying it back with after-tax dollars. Then those dollars are taxed again when you withdraw later in life. If you are in the 25% marginal braket, you could lose fifty cents on the dollar. Borrow and repay, borrow and repay, and soon your TSP is just a passbook account.
I borrowed some a while back in order to do just what you have in mind, paying off some consumer debt. I won't do it again.(Exception: medical emergency, bail.)
If you need the money, just reduce your contribution -- don't put it in there in the first place.Once it is there, leave it there.
Dave
A loan sounds like a good deal, until you realize you are paying it back with after-tax dollars. Then those dollars are taxed again when you withdraw later in life. If you are in the 25% marginal braket, you could lose fifty cents on the dollar. Borrow and repay, borrow and repay, and soon your TSP is just a passbook account.
I borrowed some a while back in order to do just what you have in mind, paying off some consumer debt. I won't do it again.(Exception: medical emergency, bail.)
If you need the money, just reduce your contribution -- don't put it in there in the first place.Once it is there, leave it there.
Dave
stebbins777
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I agree fully, and thanks for the reply,
God bless.
I agree fully, and thanks for the reply,
God bless.
VirginiaBob
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Yes, if you took a non-Thrift loan, you'd also be paying that off with after-tax dollars. And either way, if it's through a thrift loan, or if you don't take the thrift loan, you still pay the taxes on the withdrawals later.
My suggestion is if you do take the tsp loan, just take out the amount you would have had in the G fund anyway. When you pay it back, it's as if the money was just in the G fund the whole time. Don't borrow against the money you had in the S, C, or I funds.
Yes, if you took a non-Thrift loan, you'd also be paying that off with after-tax dollars. And either way, if it's through a thrift loan, or if you don't take the thrift loan, you still pay the taxes on the withdrawals later.
My suggestion is if you do take the tsp loan, just take out the amount you would have had in the G fund anyway. When you pay it back, it's as if the money was just in the G fund the whole time. Don't borrow against the money you had in the S, C, or I funds.
GovtDayTrader
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Actually, that sounds like a very good strategy VirginiaBob. Only take outa loan on the amount you would have had in the G fund. I read your other thread also and you are definitly ahead of the curve by at least having a strategy.
Now, the previous poster flamingyou on a tsptalk message board, is just flat out immature. Get a life mlk_man and grow up!!
Actually, that sounds like a very good strategy VirginiaBob. Only take outa loan on the amount you would have had in the G fund. I read your other thread also and you are definitly ahead of the curve by at least having a strategy.
Now, the previous poster flamingyou on a tsptalk message board, is just flat out immature. Get a life mlk_man and grow up!!
GovtDayTrader
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I highly doubt this is one of those message boards where only "tenured"members have a say. C'mon, it's just a message board. Once again, GET A LIFE!!
I highly doubt this is one of those message boards where only "tenured"members have a say. C'mon, it's just a message board. Once again, GET A LIFE!!
pyriel
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GovtDayTrader wrote:
GovtDayTrader wrote:
I think that is also a good idea. But the problem we have here is that posters here move around alot. So how do you know what % will be in the g fund to move. I've borrowed money from my TSP several months ago and I don't regret it. I have actual cash coming in to me now every month because of it. However, different people have different situation and just like what Dave M said, it should be used prudently and for emergencies. Thanks for posting. :^
mlk_man
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What percentage of TSP'ers do you think this "good idea" would apply to with the L funds now? Guess what, if you take money out of your account, your balance will be adjusted to have the same percentage in the G fund.
Otherwise, for those not in the L fund, which I assume is most of us here, you're not gonna leave money sitting in the G fund over an extended period.
But of course, this is just my humble opinion. Now where was I? Oh yeah, getting a life................
What percentage of TSP'ers do you think this "good idea" would apply to with the L funds now? Guess what, if you take money out of your account, your balance will be adjusted to have the same percentage in the G fund.
Otherwise, for those not in the L fund, which I assume is most of us here, you're not gonna leave money sitting in the G fund over an extended period.
But of course, this is just my humble opinion. Now where was I? Oh yeah, getting a life................
VirginiaBob
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Personally, theL fund isn't for me even if I were content with not moving my money around. I just don't like the way it is distributed. Too much C and I. The I fund over the last 10 years has received lower returns than any other TSP fund. I like the S myself. The 2030 L fund only has 16% in the S, the historically (and also recently)highest performing fund in the TSP. Also way too much G for my tastes. Too much of theworst performing fund, and not enough of the highest perfoming fund does not sound good to me, but it may work for others. If I werethe one to setup a 2030 L fund, it would be like this: 40% S, 30% C, 10% I, 10% F, 10% G.
Personally, theL fund isn't for me even if I were content with not moving my money around. I just don't like the way it is distributed. Too much C and I. The I fund over the last 10 years has received lower returns than any other TSP fund. I like the S myself. The 2030 L fund only has 16% in the S, the historically (and also recently)highest performing fund in the TSP. Also way too much G for my tastes. Too much of theworst performing fund, and not enough of the highest perfoming fund does not sound good to me, but it may work for others. If I werethe one to setup a 2030 L fund, it would be like this: 40% S, 30% C, 10% I, 10% F, 10% G.
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