Let's take this to Beltway Talk, please. thanks
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letter to Mr. Barack Hussein Obama (part 1)
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RealMoneyIssues
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Well, isn't this country about equal opportunity, not equality (re-distribution) for all?
Good points, he IS trying to sell something, and you should put everything in context (both this narative and the DailyKOS rag).
Good points, he IS trying to sell something, and you should put everything in context (both this narative and the DailyKOS rag).
Valkyrie
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I'm sorry u both and any others only see politics and don't see the financial ramifications and the assault on the American way of life.
· "They're always dividing us up into groups; the rich, the poor, the blacks, the whites, the Latinos, the men, the women, the upper class, the middle class, the lower class, the homeowners vs buyers... they're always creating "victims" whatever the situation.
Why? Shouldn't the governments first role be make policy that helps us ALL? What is the benefit of publishing this story? Why would it be beneficial to know who is benefitting more right now?
This story only creates envy and anger.
The dirty little secret is, by dividing us into groups, we're much easier to manipulate & control."
It's important to understand why things work. If you don't understand, then you can't think for yourself, and all you can do is repeat the mistakes of your teachers, who were repeating what they learned in a book from other people who just were repeating what they heard... Dr. J. Bookspan
"people get the most upset about things they know in their hearts are true, but that they're not willing to accept because of the massive amount of pain those truths will cause them. The anger is a result of their fear."
FAB1
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Hey I figger the thread is toast anyway when Jim shows up
might as well get my diggs in. But Im done now.
Steel_Magnolia
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FAB1
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This thread still open??
OK...
daily kos = liberal propaganda Slate
WSJ
NYTimes
Time
Newsweak
SeeBS
Clinton News Network
Wickedpedia
Tribune
Gannett...etc etc
All Lieberal lapdogs of the Lier in Chief
jpcavin
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Just to be clear. I despise the author of the letter but I agree with the points made.
James48843
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travelingman
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AMEN to that brother...
Steel_Magnolia
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Hmmmmm. Where is that line between politics and TSPTalk ... ? I know I saw it around here somewhere....... <scratching head>
Valkyrie
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Re: letter to Mr. Barack Hussein Obama (part 2)
"With today's Digest, I am announcing my complete support for "the rich" – the class of people Mr. Obama and his ilk castigate at every opportunity. Ironically, it is these same people Obama expects to line up like sheep waiting to be sheared. My best advice? Don't get in that line.
Despite what Mr. Obama and his vast team of lawyer buddies, career academics, and professional bureaucrats believe, most "rich" people in America got that way by working hard for a long time. They got that way by taking risks, educating themselves, starting small businesses, and selling valuable services or products to their fellow citizens. They didn't inherit their wealth. They didn't rip anyone off. They didn't buy political favors from people like Barack Obama.
They got that way by working hard to achieve the original American Dream… not Obama's new "progressive" American Dream, where everyone can live at the expense of his neighbor. That's why Obama's grandstanding must be viewed in a new way. We need to realize when Obama vilifies the "rich," he is vilifying the "achievers."
And keep in mind… these achievers are already paying their share. The top 5% of income earners in America pay nearly 60% of this country's income taxes.
America needs the achievers. We need investment. We need capital. We need jobs and innovation and vast increases to productivity. The government can supply none of these things. So to do my part, I plan to support the achievers.
Like it or not, as deep in debt as we are, the achievers are our only hope. That's why I'm standing up for them. We need the achievers – and we need more of them to want to come to America with their corporations and their wealth. You might admire the generosity and egalitarianism of idealized socialism in some pseudo-intellectual way… But we can't afford that nonsense right now. We don't have enough wealth on a net basis left to plunder.
We need more of the people Obama and his gang of petty tyrants label "rich," "greedy," and "mean spirited." These are the people who can get our country moving in the right direction, right away. Folks who have spent their lives in the real world recognize the people Obama calls "rich," "greedy," and "mean spirited" as "successful," "accomplished," and "hard working."
Now… before you send me an angry letter, ask yourself this question: If America had the lowest corporate tax rate in the world (instead of the highest), do you think we'd have more companies located here, or fewer? If we got rid of the estate tax, which makes it impossible for successful entrepreneurs to leave their companies to their children, do you think we'd have more family businesses, or fewer? And if we taxed all people at the same (hopefully low) rate, do you think more wealthy people from around the world would want to live here, or fewer?
What can I do for the achievers? For one, I can stand up for them and try to convince you, my dear readers, that we need them – and we need more and more of them. As such, we shouldn't treat them so badly or try to steal from them so blatantly. More directly, of course, I can also support them by telling them exactly what they can still do to get out of that shearing line…
In the coming days, weeks, and months, you will see more and more evidence of my support for the "rich." I plan to offer you more and more information about how to get your assets outside the reach of Mr. Obama and his ilk, including more ideas like buying foreign real estate (which is, in my view, the best way to get your assets out of the U.S. without having to report a thing to the U.S. government).
I'll soon be publishing a report by one of the world's leading asset-protection attorneys about how you can convert your IRA into your own corporation. That will allow you to invest in whatever you like – even the things the government doesn't want you to have. This structure will also allow you to get your IRA out of the U.S. before the government seizes it and forces you to buy worthless Treasury bonds to bail them out when our foreign creditors start selling… And yes, that's what will happen.
Regards,
Porter Stansberry
Baltimore, Maryland
April 15, 2011"
"With today's Digest, I am announcing my complete support for "the rich" – the class of people Mr. Obama and his ilk castigate at every opportunity. Ironically, it is these same people Obama expects to line up like sheep waiting to be sheared. My best advice? Don't get in that line.
Despite what Mr. Obama and his vast team of lawyer buddies, career academics, and professional bureaucrats believe, most "rich" people in America got that way by working hard for a long time. They got that way by taking risks, educating themselves, starting small businesses, and selling valuable services or products to their fellow citizens. They didn't inherit their wealth. They didn't rip anyone off. They didn't buy political favors from people like Barack Obama.
They got that way by working hard to achieve the original American Dream… not Obama's new "progressive" American Dream, where everyone can live at the expense of his neighbor. That's why Obama's grandstanding must be viewed in a new way. We need to realize when Obama vilifies the "rich," he is vilifying the "achievers."
And keep in mind… these achievers are already paying their share. The top 5% of income earners in America pay nearly 60% of this country's income taxes.
America needs the achievers. We need investment. We need capital. We need jobs and innovation and vast increases to productivity. The government can supply none of these things. So to do my part, I plan to support the achievers.
Like it or not, as deep in debt as we are, the achievers are our only hope. That's why I'm standing up for them. We need the achievers – and we need more of them to want to come to America with their corporations and their wealth. You might admire the generosity and egalitarianism of idealized socialism in some pseudo-intellectual way… But we can't afford that nonsense right now. We don't have enough wealth on a net basis left to plunder.
We need more of the people Obama and his gang of petty tyrants label "rich," "greedy," and "mean spirited." These are the people who can get our country moving in the right direction, right away. Folks who have spent their lives in the real world recognize the people Obama calls "rich," "greedy," and "mean spirited" as "successful," "accomplished," and "hard working."
Now… before you send me an angry letter, ask yourself this question: If America had the lowest corporate tax rate in the world (instead of the highest), do you think we'd have more companies located here, or fewer? If we got rid of the estate tax, which makes it impossible for successful entrepreneurs to leave their companies to their children, do you think we'd have more family businesses, or fewer? And if we taxed all people at the same (hopefully low) rate, do you think more wealthy people from around the world would want to live here, or fewer?
What can I do for the achievers? For one, I can stand up for them and try to convince you, my dear readers, that we need them – and we need more and more of them. As such, we shouldn't treat them so badly or try to steal from them so blatantly. More directly, of course, I can also support them by telling them exactly what they can still do to get out of that shearing line…
In the coming days, weeks, and months, you will see more and more evidence of my support for the "rich." I plan to offer you more and more information about how to get your assets outside the reach of Mr. Obama and his ilk, including more ideas like buying foreign real estate (which is, in my view, the best way to get your assets out of the U.S. without having to report a thing to the U.S. government).
I'll soon be publishing a report by one of the world's leading asset-protection attorneys about how you can convert your IRA into your own corporation. That will allow you to invest in whatever you like – even the things the government doesn't want you to have. This structure will also allow you to get your IRA out of the U.S. before the government seizes it and forces you to buy worthless Treasury bonds to bail them out when our foreign creditors start selling… And yes, that's what will happen.
Regards,
Porter Stansberry
Baltimore, Maryland
April 15, 2011"
Valkyrie
Well-known member
"In honor of our national Tax Day, I've written the following letter to Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. Please feel free to pass this around if you like it…
Dear Mr. President,
Welcome to the ashbin of history.
With the speech you gave this week, you have firmly and permanently put yourself in the same garbage bag as all the other communists and socialists of the 20th century.
Your speech sounded like the faint echo of a speech Lenin gave in an icy square in Moscow 100 years ago.
The promises you made, Mr. President, about the government giving people things they can't provide for themselves – a better income, reliable health care, an advanced education, cheaper mortgages, a "shiny, happy" life – have been made time and time again… sometimes by speakers even better than you.
And they have always been lies.
While the government can demand obedience (and taxes), it can't mandate dedication, creativity, or innovation. The fact is, the government itself is nothing more (or less) than the organized ambitions of the people. Promising something to the people that they don't already have is a logical absurdity. And therein lies the timeless flaw of all collectivist theory: Governments cannot deliver benefits to the people that the people cannot deliver to themselves.
To demonstrate this truth, consider this example… Governments cannot simply mandate higher tax revenue. Any substantial increase to tax rates will reduce total collections, an economic phenomenon known as the "Laffer Curve." This has been proven countless times in our country and many others. Any sensible person will immediately understand why. Taxes are a disincentive. The higher the marginal rate of tax, the more powerful its impact.
That's why, over many decades (and many different tax structures), U.S. tax revenues have been remarkably stable at around 20% of GDP. That's why, as you surely know, Mr. President, changing the tax code will not result in increased tax revenue. Taxing only the rich simply doesn't work. It never has. And it never will. To increase the government's revenues, we must first increase the size of the economy. The government cannot tax what the economy doesn't produce.
In another time, most Americans might have simply ignored your speech as the ignorant remarks of yet another handsome, Ivy League-educated, dilettante president. But at this point in our history, my bet is people are going to take you far more seriously than you expect. In fact, I think you're going to get what you deserve – the trash heap. Why will Americans turn on you so rapidly and so completely?
Two things have changed – forever – about American politics.
The first is the media and access to critical information. It's no longer possible for a president's administration to control what people read, see, and think by simply managing the evening news broadcasts.
Thus, all your lies <http://clicks.stansberryresearch.com//t/AQ/AAT2Qg/AAUBBg/AAO+3g/AQ/AgZVIA/TKRY> are now exposed almost instantly and broadcast to millions of people via websites and services like the Drudge Report, Twitter, and Facebook. Socialism cannot possibly survive over any long period of time in a society with a free media – because socialism is based on a lie. Facebook means the "half-life" of socialism is now weeks instead of years. Even mainstream publications like the Wall Street Journal have called you a liar this week. They have no choice. Your lies were broadcast to the entire world long before their op-ed pieces appeared.
Your advisors told you none of these "bloggers" mattered. All you had to do was promise more benefits to more voters and then force fewer voters to pay for it all. I'm sure you did the political calculus… You believed your power to bribe and bamboozle the poor and the ignorant was stronger than the resentment you'd engender among the "rich." And I must admit… since at least World War II, that's been a safe bet in American politics.
But you forgot one critical factor: We simply can't afford this nonsense anymore…
Immediately after your speech, the price of silver went from $39 to a new high above $42. Gold went up, too.
These are signs, Mr. President, that the world is losing confidence in our currency. If our foreign creditors were to call in our debts, America would suffer an economic cataclysm unlike anything we've ever seen in our entire history. Americans now owe a total of $56 trillion. Without the Fed's money-printing, it's unlikely we could afford even the interest on these existing debts… much less the $1.5 trillion or more in debt you continue to rack up year after year by promising benefits we haven't earned.
Sooner or later, our foreign creditors are going to decide our money-printing amounts to a default, and they will stop buying our bonds. On that day, everyone who trusts you, everyone who believes in your lies, will be wiped out.
But that won't be as many people as you expect.
Almost every American knows in his heart what made this country great for the 200 years between 1776 and 1976. It wasn't the lies of our presidents. It wasn't our ability to print money and rip off our Chinese creditors. It wasn't the modern crybaby mentality of our school system or our unions. It wasn't the baby boomer's dream of a 40-year retirement with free prescription drugs. And it sure as hell wasn't a suave, made-for-TV version of Karl Marx promising everything to everyone, but with no way to pay for it.
No. What built America was her people's unwavering faith that they were free to enjoy the rewards of their accomplishments.
As our country tumbles into bankruptcy and crisis, the people are going to want their prosperity back, Mr. President. And deep down, they all know… even your most fervent supporters know… you don't have the goods. You don't have the foggiest idea of how to deliver prosperity to America because, really, you don't know anything of what America is all about.
Regards,
Porter Stansberry"
Dear Mr. President,
Welcome to the ashbin of history.
With the speech you gave this week, you have firmly and permanently put yourself in the same garbage bag as all the other communists and socialists of the 20th century.
Your speech sounded like the faint echo of a speech Lenin gave in an icy square in Moscow 100 years ago.
The promises you made, Mr. President, about the government giving people things they can't provide for themselves – a better income, reliable health care, an advanced education, cheaper mortgages, a "shiny, happy" life – have been made time and time again… sometimes by speakers even better than you.
And they have always been lies.
While the government can demand obedience (and taxes), it can't mandate dedication, creativity, or innovation. The fact is, the government itself is nothing more (or less) than the organized ambitions of the people. Promising something to the people that they don't already have is a logical absurdity. And therein lies the timeless flaw of all collectivist theory: Governments cannot deliver benefits to the people that the people cannot deliver to themselves.
To demonstrate this truth, consider this example… Governments cannot simply mandate higher tax revenue. Any substantial increase to tax rates will reduce total collections, an economic phenomenon known as the "Laffer Curve." This has been proven countless times in our country and many others. Any sensible person will immediately understand why. Taxes are a disincentive. The higher the marginal rate of tax, the more powerful its impact.
That's why, over many decades (and many different tax structures), U.S. tax revenues have been remarkably stable at around 20% of GDP. That's why, as you surely know, Mr. President, changing the tax code will not result in increased tax revenue. Taxing only the rich simply doesn't work. It never has. And it never will. To increase the government's revenues, we must first increase the size of the economy. The government cannot tax what the economy doesn't produce.
In another time, most Americans might have simply ignored your speech as the ignorant remarks of yet another handsome, Ivy League-educated, dilettante president. But at this point in our history, my bet is people are going to take you far more seriously than you expect. In fact, I think you're going to get what you deserve – the trash heap. Why will Americans turn on you so rapidly and so completely?
Two things have changed – forever – about American politics.
The first is the media and access to critical information. It's no longer possible for a president's administration to control what people read, see, and think by simply managing the evening news broadcasts.
Thus, all your lies <http://clicks.stansberryresearch.com//t/AQ/AAT2Qg/AAUBBg/AAO+3g/AQ/AgZVIA/TKRY> are now exposed almost instantly and broadcast to millions of people via websites and services like the Drudge Report, Twitter, and Facebook. Socialism cannot possibly survive over any long period of time in a society with a free media – because socialism is based on a lie. Facebook means the "half-life" of socialism is now weeks instead of years. Even mainstream publications like the Wall Street Journal have called you a liar this week. They have no choice. Your lies were broadcast to the entire world long before their op-ed pieces appeared.
Your advisors told you none of these "bloggers" mattered. All you had to do was promise more benefits to more voters and then force fewer voters to pay for it all. I'm sure you did the political calculus… You believed your power to bribe and bamboozle the poor and the ignorant was stronger than the resentment you'd engender among the "rich." And I must admit… since at least World War II, that's been a safe bet in American politics.
But you forgot one critical factor: We simply can't afford this nonsense anymore…
Immediately after your speech, the price of silver went from $39 to a new high above $42. Gold went up, too.
These are signs, Mr. President, that the world is losing confidence in our currency. If our foreign creditors were to call in our debts, America would suffer an economic cataclysm unlike anything we've ever seen in our entire history. Americans now owe a total of $56 trillion. Without the Fed's money-printing, it's unlikely we could afford even the interest on these existing debts… much less the $1.5 trillion or more in debt you continue to rack up year after year by promising benefits we haven't earned.
Sooner or later, our foreign creditors are going to decide our money-printing amounts to a default, and they will stop buying our bonds. On that day, everyone who trusts you, everyone who believes in your lies, will be wiped out.
But that won't be as many people as you expect.
Almost every American knows in his heart what made this country great for the 200 years between 1776 and 1976. It wasn't the lies of our presidents. It wasn't our ability to print money and rip off our Chinese creditors. It wasn't the modern crybaby mentality of our school system or our unions. It wasn't the baby boomer's dream of a 40-year retirement with free prescription drugs. And it sure as hell wasn't a suave, made-for-TV version of Karl Marx promising everything to everyone, but with no way to pay for it.
No. What built America was her people's unwavering faith that they were free to enjoy the rewards of their accomplishments.
As our country tumbles into bankruptcy and crisis, the people are going to want their prosperity back, Mr. President. And deep down, they all know… even your most fervent supporters know… you don't have the goods. You don't have the foggiest idea of how to deliver prosperity to America because, really, you don't know anything of what America is all about.
Regards,
Porter Stansberry"
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