Just a personal observation

[Intrepid_Timer]

Just a personal observation... as I watched the news coverage of the massive flooding in the Midwest with the levee's about to break in Fargo, ND, what amazed me is not what we saw, but what we didn't see...

1. We don't see looting...
2. We don't see street violence...
3. We don't see people sitting on their rooftops waiting for the government to come and save them...
4. We don't see people waiting on the government to do anything...
5. We don't see Hollywood organizing benefits to raise money for people to rebuild...
6. We don't see people blaming President Obama...
7. We don't see people ignoring evacuation orders...
8. We don't see people blaming a government conspiracy to blow up the levees as the reason some have not held...
9. We don't see the US Senators or the Governor of North Dakota crying on TV...
10. We don't see the Mayors of any of these cities complaining about the lack of state or federal response...
11. We don't see or hear reports of the police going around confiscating personal firearms so only the criminal will be armed...
12. We don't see gangs of people going around and randomly shooting at the rescue workers...
13. You don't see some leaders in this country blaming the bad behavior of the North Dakota flood victims on "society" (of course there is no wide spread reports of lawlessness to require excuses)...

 

[CapeChem]

Interesting isn't it......Has the president even acknowledged this crisis? Maybe Mrs. Obama can sell her clothes on ebay and donate to the diaster relief fund

 

[CountryBoy]

Interesting isn't it......Has the president even acknowledged this crisis? Maybe Mrs. Obama can sell her clothes on ebay and donate to the diaster relief fund

Very good point, it's like bHo has forgotten all about them. hmmm Some people are more self reliant than others.

CB

 

[ChemEng]

Be careful--Just because you don't hear about it on the news doesn't mean it isn't happening. As an example, we are fighting 2 wars right now and both national and local news broadcasts decided to not report on either last night instead giving time to the latest plight of octomom. But there certainly are 2 wars going on.

 

[turbo23dog]

Reality check: the situation in ND is a far stretch from the crowded urban area of New Orleans...

 

[CountryBoy]

Be careful--Just because you don't hear about it on the news doesn't mean it isn't happening. As an example, we are fighting 2 wars right now and both national and local news broadcasts decided to not report on either last night instead giving time to the latest plight of octomom. But there certainly are 2 wars going on.

And you're point? Since when has a politican failed to get face time when Americans are fighting disasters, though this one seems to be very self absorbed and gaining as much power as possible.

CB

 

[ChemEng]

And you're point?

My point is just because we don't see those things happening, doesn't mean they aren't happening.

 

[CountryBoy]

My point is just because we don't see those things happening, doesn't mean they aren't happening.

And my point is the political animal doesn't ever pass up a chance to be seen suffering with his fellow Americans, but not this one and the flooding situation has been going on before he left to rub elbows.

CB

 

[Birchtree]

Apparently ND doesn't have a large at risk population that complie BHO's constituency.

 

[ChemEng]

And my point is the political animal doesn't ever pass up a chance to be seen suffering with his fellow Americans, but not this one and the flooding situation has been going on before he left to rub elbows.

You can twist this to be about the president if you want. The fact is that he is one "political animal" of many. Why aren't you just as bothered by the many elephants that aren't taking up the cause and getting in front of the media about this?

I'm not trying to defend the man's sins of omission here. It just reeks of partisanship when *no one* is doing it and you only have a problem with one person's choice not to anything.

 

[ChemEng]

Apparently ND doesn't have a large at risk population that complie BHO's constituency.

But it is a donkey lead state in the house and senate with 3 electoral votes...

 

[CountryBoy]

You can twist this to be about the president if you want. The fact is that he is one "political animal" of many. Why aren't you just as bothered by the many elephants that aren't taking up the cause and getting in front of the media about this?

I'm not trying to defend the man's sins of omission here. It just reeks of partisanship when *no one* is doing it and you only have a problem with one person's choice not to anything.

:laugh: Not defend the man? Sins of ommission? You just said earlier that he may be doing it without us knowing. You stalk my every move on this board and anytime bHo's character is questioned, you're all over me defending him. There is no defense. And that one person I have a problem with is the Pres of the US, that's his duty, hell even Bush did a fly by of Katrina and got roasted for not caring and being on the ground, as was apropro.

And as for *No One* ? Wellllll, I have seen some clips, on the net, and heard radio interviews of the local pols, in particular and the mayors and govs, don't know what party, don't really care anymore, since about 2005, cause neither party is worth a bucket of warm spit. Also, I'm so tired of the partisanship card being played, along with other cards, when people don't like hearing a little truth.

But the MSM apparently doesn't find the story as interesting, since bHo isn't there. Lets face it, some people and the MSM just fawn over "you know who" and if he would've been there, I guarantee the press would've had it plastered all over the news, pics of film of him and his telepromter filling some sandbags.

It was just an observation, and someone took offense again.

Have a good weekend.

CB

 

[Steadygain]

http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/showpost.php?p=215090&postcount=48

ChemEng - I'm not here to take sides on this issue but only to say sometimes no matter what you do or say - it's like spitting against the wind.

First from CB:
I believe that "most" of the pols are pols, because they couldn't cut it in the real world and are brainwashed from an early age that they are smarter and know better than us unwashed working stiffs. They believe they are our Royality and we left that behind.

Now please realize that I really love this guy - but this is his core belief and so essentially all his 'political posts' will reflect this.

The MOST IMPORTANT thing to realize is that his motivation and true intention - is not to 'slam the politicians' but to take his stand against the injustices spread throughout the population. CB is not your wimpy rollover type of person - he's a fighter through and through and he's convinced that by either remaining quiet or not sounding the alarms - that he's essentially resigned to THE ENEMY and he's just not cut that way. As long as he has breath or life he will never give in to the enemy.

Now Birch:
He is a BORN AGAIN REPLUBICAN - and you surely know him well enough to know that he'd say just about anything.

So whatever it's worth - Don't feel like to have to defend yourself and all the more think you can convince them otherwise. I find it's best to just let them do their thing.

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I do want to comment on the original intention of this Thread as I'm in the Midwest and I live with a very similar population.

The united effort of the population working together to do everything they could to look out for one another is a huge feature of folks around my area - and no doubt in Fargo ND.

The PROBLEM with the comparison however is totally unfair.
ONE IS PERHAPS THE MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE TO DATE - That forms quickly and allows little time to prepare. Our civilization is not able to fight off a Disaster of that Magnitude at this point - let alone back then.

On the Political Front - with Katrina I know for a FACT that FEMA did everything possible to avoid what happened. The Governor refused to let them take action - because in doing so he loses any power to deal with the matter himself. THAT IS THE TRUTH and that was the most underlying basis for what happened. Only after the fact was FEMA able to intervene. We can't let the Governor 'look bad' so FEMA took the blame.

The City is UNDER SEA LEVEL - and overwhelmingly the poor live in the lower areas.

In FARGO - We're dealing with a rising RIVER and they all know exactly what they are dealing with and what will happen if they can't contain it.

In that situation NO ONE is going to sit around and wait for the Government to come in to do the manual work needed. They all knew time was of the essence and they responded accordingly.

BUT - I think the overwhelming basis of your message was to applaud a population that works together to do whatever they need to do to protect each other - and DO THE RIGHT THING.

 

[CountryBoy]

Hey Steady,

Are you a shrink? :laugh: I'll let ya in on a little secret of mine. When I was dumb and young and didn't have any kids, I voted for Carter. The shame of it all. I guess it was because all my family, aunts and uncles, are yellow dog Dems. So it makes for some very interesting family reunions, cause only 4 outta 20 of us cousins are conservative. So I've had a lot of practice and sometimes must watch my tongue since family debates can get pretty lively, cause the 4 of us know what buttons to push. They still think the Dem party is the Dem party of the 60's.\

Have a good weekend my friend and thanks for defusing this debate, me and him will rarely see eye to eye. (insert shrug here)

CB

 

[CapeChem]

6 feet of warm gulf water in your house or 6 feet of frigid river water in your house......who has it worse?

 

[Birchtree]

Country Boy,

Why did you have to mention yellow back Jimmy - I almost barfed. I just hope that coward is dead before I am.

 

[CountryBoy]

Country Boy,

Why did you have to mention yellow back Jimmy - I almost barfed. I just hope that coward is dead before I am.

Sorry about that Birch,

I'l try to give you a heads up if I ever even contemplate mentioning Jimma's name again.

CB

 

[Intrepid_Timer]

It was a "personal observation". If anyone is offended, sorry. I don't really care though. I know who good people are and who aren't. Lived long enough to know that...............................

 

[DAWG51]

I’ll chime-in.

I lived on Pensacola Beach prior to Hurricane Ivan. I evacuated 2 days before the storm made landfall (Why - Because there was a frick’en storm coming!!). Upon return, my home was completely demolished and I lost everything except my fishing rods, rifle, and a basket of dirty clothes that I had taken with me. (It’s amazing how your mind works - You have a few minutes to decide what is valuable to you – I chose my fishing rods and rifle over everything else in my house – Oh well) I was one of 1000’s that lost their home from this horrific storm. In addition, my office was destroyed, my parent’s home was badly damaged and many of my friends/family/coworkers were also homeless. Hurricane Rita provided similar results near the Louisiana/Texas border. ($25 Billion in damage from these storms – Although this is 1/3 of the damage from Katrina, at this magnitude… who’s count’en?)

As a result of the hurricane, I received an SBA loan for $40K. (I got screwed on insurance – another story for another time) I received the loan more-so because I had just started an on-the-side internet business for Coaching Youth Sports but used a great deal of the money for replacing everyday necessities. (You know – shoes, toilet paper & cooking utensils - Not beer , whiskey & dope) Incidentally, the business failed but I religiously pay the monthly SBA loan payment.

My Point: This has been a very stressful time for our community but we have overcome and normalcy has returned. Very little of the 13 conditions listed in the original post of this thread occurred in our area. Like many residents, I built a new home, but further from the Gulf. Do any of you even remember Hurricane Ivan or Rita? I doubt it. Soon, you will not remember the on-going tragedy in North Dakota. BUT, we all remember Katrina. Why? Because it is the at risk population that was affected and they continue to require aid and support. Rather than getting-off their lazy butts and becoming part of the solution, they would rather complain about being mistreated and exhaust their efforts trying to obtain more hand-outs. (And we continue to appease them)

Incidentally, much of New Orleans is being repaired by illegal immigrants that have now moved their families into the downtown section(s). This is creating a whole-new-set of problems (See Thread – A Sign of Things to Come – post #2). It will be interesting to watch the demographics vs appeal of New Orleans over the next few years.

Happy trading. D51

 

[mick504]

I tell my friends occasionally that the Dems of today are not like my parents who lived through the Depression of the 30s. The conservative Christians of many denominations...of the midwest. They were the conservative democrats who paid their bills, went to church and lived within their means. The dems of today...mostly are very liberal in their views in terms of social, marriage, spending habits, and depending on others. They basically have a social viewpoint! That's why I'm not a democrat. Where I used to work there were very very few of us who voted Republican....you could count them on one hand! I'm sure the dems there are lapping this Obama stuff up. Good Day!