Spaf
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Islam
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Islam
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FUTURESTRADER
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This or that religion is not the problem. It's the twisting of young, easily swayed minds. Our fine christian ancestors are not exempt from the greed and ego.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade#The_major_crusades
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade#The_major_crusades
FundSurfer
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Don't hold back Birchy, tell us what you really think. :nuts:
Birchtree
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Inorder for every young worthless Arab to become a Jihadist he must first receive his dear mothers' permission and blessing. If they didn't have a mother they wouldn't get permission to blow their a## up. Get where this is going....and if they didn't have a mother at all they wouldn't exist. All the Middle East needs is efficient birth control or more bombs going off at their home.
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fabijo
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Thanks FUTURESTRADER. That's exactly along the lines I was thinking. I'm not too proud of what many "Christians" have done - KKK for example.
Show-me
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Be careful not to blame the religion for mans failures in character or interpretation. Compare apples to apples. The Christian religion is good it is man that is always corrupt, greedy, lustful, jealous, ect.
Now compare Christianity to Islam. One tells you to spread the the word of God and to love everyone, even your enemy. The other tells you to spread the word of Muhammad by 1. Convert them and if you can not, 2. Enslave them or 3. Kill them.
:notrust: 
Nice religion.
Now compare Christianity to Islam. One tells you to spread the the word of God and to love everyone, even your enemy. The other tells you to spread the word of Muhammad by 1. Convert them and if you can not, 2. Enslave them or 3. Kill them.
:notrust: Nice religion.
Spaf
Honorary Hall of Fame Member
Apples to apples: Were the people of the nation supportive of the war (termoil) or against it?
Germany WWII ?
Japan WWII ?
Italy WWII ?
Korea ?
Vietnam ?
Iran ?
Lebonan ?
Iraq ?
When you see the streets full of protestors the big picture comes into focus! It's easy to read the headlines or hear the extremes (left and right). But what do the people say?
Show-me
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Spaf,
I'm not sure I get your point. My reference was more along the line of a holy war. Jihad! One religion against all others. Convert or die. The thing that strikes me first is that all of these counties you list, the government or the one's in power, controlled all of the media and had control of most of the weapons. The citizens were whipped up in a frenzy to blame another for their woes (mostly economic or political). Some knew what was going on and supported it (the herd), some knew and did nothing out of fear (self preservation), some were oblivious (the ignorant), and some in denial. I believe Germans were pissed because of the economy and WWI, the Japanese were pissed because of the economy and isolationism. We were squeezing them by not selling them oil. Korea and Vietnam communism. The rest I'm not sure.
I'm not sure I get your point. My reference was more along the line of a holy war. Jihad! One religion against all others. Convert or die. The thing that strikes me first is that all of these counties you list, the government or the one's in power, controlled all of the media and had control of most of the weapons. The citizens were whipped up in a frenzy to blame another for their woes (mostly economic or political). Some knew what was going on and supported it (the herd), some knew and did nothing out of fear (self preservation), some were oblivious (the ignorant), and some in denial. I believe Germans were pissed because of the economy and WWI, the Japanese were pissed because of the economy and isolationism. We were squeezing them by not selling them oil. Korea and Vietnam communism. The rest I'm not sure.
You have to start making your point without the offensive references. You're going over the line here.
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I don't think the term you used would be considered politically correct on any planet.
I'm not easily offended Birch, but one of our top board members has decided to leave because of your post. Please be more considerate of those who may be reading. Consider this a polite warning. Thanks.
"Tom,
Please remove me from your members list and delete all my posts. I no longer wish to associate myself with this group. Thanks for your help the last couple years."
I'm not easily offended Birch, but one of our top board members has decided to leave because of your post. Please be more considerate of those who may be reading. Consider this a polite warning. Thanks.
"Tom,
Please remove me from your members list and delete all my posts. I no longer wish to associate myself with this group. Thanks for your help the last couple years."
fabijo
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Be careful not to blame the religion for mans failures in character or interpretation. Compare apples to apples. The Christian religion is good it is man that is always corrupt, greedy, lustful, jealous, ect.
Now compare Christianity to Islam. One tells you to spread the the word of God and to love everyone, even your enemy. The other tells you to spread the word of Muhammad by 1. Convert them and if you can not, 2. Enslave them or 3. Kill them.
That's what I was trying to say - that man is messed up and he interprets his religion in radical ways. I don't know if Islam actually says to convert or enslave/kill, but I know that is what the extremists are saying. I know for sure that a Christian is not supposed to kill nonconverts, but that is what extremists calling themselves Christians have done in the past. So an outsider would also call Christianity a strange religion that promotes violence against nonbelievers. Ever since Constantine declared Christianity the official religion of Rome, there have been many murders in the name of Jesus. It just doen't make sense.
Love your enemies. I keep a blog called Loving Haters at:
http://mircats.com/fabio
Birchtree
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Nnuut,
With the global economy and war going on, the two cannot be separated. Anything the Iranian Shiites do will impact the markets universally. There unfortunately is only one solution because they are such li###. And the sooner we do the thing the better off the world will be to include all liberals.
With the global economy and war going on, the two cannot be separated. Anything the Iranian Shiites do will impact the markets universally. There unfortunately is only one solution because they are such li###. And the sooner we do the thing the better off the world will be to include all liberals.
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Show-me
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One thing is for sure if you discuss politics or religion there will be passionate controversy. I'm going to try not to comment here anymore.
I believe I'd rather talk about politics than religion, always get in trouble. How about talking about the Market and MAKIN' MONEY?
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