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From the great Mogambo - he sends to me via e-mail. No linkage:

GREENSPAN IN THE HOT SEAT
by The Mogambo Guru

I tried listening to Alan Greenspan flap his lips (:P) in front of the Joint Economic Committee, but it was just more of the same. I was actually handling it pretty well. There was some straining against my restraints a few times, and making some pithy remarks, mostly about how they are all liars and idiots and I hate all of them. And some spitting.

So it was just boring until some ignorant putz who was kissing Greenspan's gigantic butt asked, and I am quoting from memory here, "Do you think, in retrospect, that it was a good idea to slash interest rates after the dotcom bust in 2000?" This is where I lost it completely! I wish I could remember who that fat moron was that asked that question, so that I could actually tell you his name and where he was from, so that you would know what state elected this worthless boob

The question should be, and if I was on the panel this is what I would have asked, instead of his idiotic waste of time, "Do you think, in retrospect, that is was a good idea to produce all that money and credit, especially since 1997, in a stupefying deluge of egregious monetary irresponsibility, which produced the stock market bubble, which then busted in 2000, and caused a lot of misery? Huh? Is that what you think, you little twerp? A lot of people's lives were destroyed, and then the economy was on the verge of being destroyed, and then you had to mercilessly slash interest rates - and the incomes of savers! - ever since to save our stupid butts from destruction! Do you really, really, really think we should thank you for impoverishing tens of millions of small-saver Americans, who save their pitiful little bit of money in Certificates of Deposit and their little savings accounts, by slashing their incomes to almost zero? And your ridiculous economic theories and your preposterous economic models so ruined everything that you had to do it, month after month, and year after year, for five long stinking years! Is some kind of damned thing to be proud about, you filthy stinking pig?" Then I would have jumped over the desk, seized Alan Greenspan by the damned throat and forced a confession out of him.



The only good part was when Greenspan allowed that the whole filthy Federal Reserve exists only at the whim of Congress, and that it can be eliminated at any time, which is an idea that I heartily endorse. I further say, since you were so kind to ask, that the gold that we are supposed to have stored be immediately used to turn the dollar back into gold, as required by the Constitution. Theoretically, gold will have to go to $5,000 an ounce, and so we let the gold bugs be the new millionaires, who will (and I think I speak for all of us) serve as a ready reference to anybody who thinks that real money CAN be anything but silver and/or gold.

But nobody asked The Big Freaking Mogambo Question (TBFMQ) that I would ask. It goes like this. "Mr. Greenspan, when you came to power in 1987 and took control of the Federal Reserve, the national debt was at $2.3 trillion, which is (and I am sure that my fellow Congresspersons will agree) a big, honking, pot load of money. But the interesting thing is that now, only 18 years later, the national debt is $7.8 trillion. You have allowed an almost tripling of the national debt! In 18 years! All by yourself!"

I can imagine the fear in his eyes as he realizes that I am on to his scam. As he licks his lips nervously, I continue. "Now, it is commonplace for all governments to want to spend money, lots of money. In the old days, when the Congress tried this silly crap, the amount of money left for everyone else to borrow to conduct ordinary business would have dried up. So the demand for money would increase, while the supply of money was decreasing. Since you think you are such a big shot economist egghead, then I am sure that you realize that the interest rate would have skyrocketed!"

I can see him sweating bullets, and I mercilessly press the attack by asking, "What would have happened then?" Waiting for his answer, I savor his squirming in his seat, his beady little eyes darting from side to side, trapped like the little rat that he is. Finally, he would start to stammer out something like "Well, umm, well, given that..." At that I would have jumped up onto the top of my desk and shouted, "Shut up! I will tell you what would happen! Everyone would get all mad and write rambling, disjointed and threatening letters to their elected government representative, such as, for example, 'Dear deficit-spending Congressional nitwit, I'm voting against you in the next election! The Mogambo was right! You ARE all a bunch of buttheads! Signed, Angry Voter.' "



Leaning forward so that I can stare into his vacant eyes, I continue, "But now, you, Alan Greenspan, think that you have found a way around that, don't you? You think that now that our money is just paper and electronic digits that you have found a marvelous, magical way to let the damn government spend and spend and spend! My question to you, Mr. Alan 'Crazy Al' Greenspan, is the famous Big Freaking Mogambo Question (BFMQ), which is: if this is such a hot idea, how come no other country ever thought of it before?"

Now, if I know Alan Greenspan, he will then turn into a bat and fly away, so you are not going to get an answer from him. So I will tell you the answer to the BFMQ. The answer is that they all DID try that crap, and it ruined every last one of them! Hahahaha! All governments always resort to this money-creation thing at the end, after their previous credit-fueled booms started petering out, and all the friends of the government starting calling up and wanting the government to "do something" to keep the stupid, bloated, misshapen, mal-invested and preposterous economy from collapsing and dying from the cancer that was eating it alive. And what they did was to create MORE money and credit!

And since nobody else in history has ever pulled off this trick, and in fact it destroyed their economies, I must assume that we half-witted American boobs won't prove any more successful at it than any of them.

And it is not just me that is so angry that sparks are flying out of my eyes. For example, Bill Fleckenstein of the Contrarian Chronicles looked at an article by Greg Ip of the Wall Street Journal, who has "explained" the current Fed policy. "Faced with an asset bubble," writes Mr. Ip, "a central bank has two choices: Prick it early or wait for it to burst and try to contain the damage. The Fed in 1929 and the Bank of Japan in 1989 tried...raising interest rates in response to rapidly rising asset prices. The result in the U.S. in the 1930s was depression and deflation. In Japan it was stagnation and deflation that continues today."



So this time, it is explained to us, they decided NOT to try and stop the bubble and speculative excesses, but to let it expand until it burst, and then lower interest rates to try and clean up the big stinking mess! Instead of me getting apoplectic, I will try and sit here calmly, and let Mr. Fleckenstein explain why I am so angry.

"The article and the Fed argued from a false premise to a false conclusion," states Mr. Fleckenstein, "by blaming the American bust of the 1930s and the one in Tokyo in the 1990s on monetary tightening. That is completely untrue. The aftermaths of both were caused by the preceding asset bubbles, precipitated by reckless monetary policies. It is asset bubbles that create the damage, not the small amount of tightening that comes at the end. In fact, I would argue that the tightening didn't end those bubbles. Exhaustion ended them, and the tightening was coincident with the exhaustion phase."

Need I say more?

Regards,

The Mogambo Guru
 
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I'm sorry, really sorry to have to say this, but I'm in full agreement with the thoughts expressed by Mogambu Guru. I still have scars on my back from the whippings the Fed has given me over the years. I simply do not trust them, never have and never will. That's why I say watch what they do, not what they say. I think currently they are setting up a decoy - to mislead everyone. They are no friends of mine. I'm just trying to preempt their moves.
 
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Here here Birch.

IMHO, interest rates should float freely.

Let the market decide. That is healthy and it works.

When you have a body trying to control something that is when things get out of whack.
 
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Now DMA.....tell me why interest rates should float freely.......??/

Don't get me confused, there are things that Greenspud has done lately or his informers have done lately...that I don't agree with....but you have to understand control systems theory to understand Greenspans economic movesup to lately...

Interest rates had to drop.....so did the rest of the economic system...you can thank congress for looking out for their constituents.....they're makeing money..while the individual who leaves himself vulnerable to an employer barely makes ends meet.....

Congress spent the money....and who controlled congress in the last 20 or so years......that's why the money is gone....and we let the liberals do it.....

Greenspans moves have dampened swings in our output....but congress got rid of our output to break labor costs......we were in a fix with high labor costs after the 60 and 70's.........we have to get back to a level equal somewhat with the world.....

Interest rates are related to all this and you have to have a control system to acquire that docile decline.....unfortunately its a decline

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Tell me why a body should be able to control short rates in order to try to manipulate long term rates?

If you control short rates you also control stock prices.

Would not it be better all around if one body did that have this kind of power and the market decided everything?

Tell me where I am wrong?
 
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You are loooking at it the wrong way......the economic machine is a black box with anoutput of GDP and such...........several factors that determine it are interest rates, inflation, commodity prices, labor costs.....and so on.....with a constant......

Remember polynomials and their factors????? in algebra.....that's differential equations in elementary form which are used to design electronic circuits, spring and damper systems in cars and so forth.....they all relate by how their output is controlled.....

electronic circuits by their harmonics, frequencies and such(analog systems here), spring and dampers in cars on how steady the car remains after you hit a hole or dip in the road at that speed, weight and so forth....and then we have our economic engine......its output and how it varies.....low interest rates is like low energy costs, low commodity costs, low labor costs....and so on.....

But like I said I haven't been happy about the numbers that the govt has been reporting....its being manipulated at whose costs.....inflation is so high right now...I talked with some Senior citizens the other day about their SS and its biting them hard.....now if we don't have inflation then this wouldn't happen......

maybe Mike can vouch for the low inflation.....he seems to live isolated to this phenomenon.....I'm going to go live on his back porch when everything hits the fan.....

We're in trouble and those who get out of it are those who recognizes it first and does the right thing before a crash.....mainly unload all debts......

Its mostly because some major companies recognized several decades ago that they could make alot of money quickly by removing their production overseas....but only one problem, it destablized our incomes so much that their production advantage will be short lived and therefore their profits won't be any more than if they had just left things lay at they were.......now we will go through an economic trough, the US citizen will lower their living standards and start over........we could haveslowly and in a stable manner over 50 years or so done the same thing but noooooo.......we had to make a quick profit!!!! What stupid economist we have.....just stupid......most of the business majors in America need to take control system theory just to get it right.....a bunch of dumbassssssses if you ask me.......

when you have a slow moving machine (example-no president can directly claim their economy while in office, its set up years before they even run for office), you don't go upsetting it with drastic moves......its like reinventing energy sources....you can't quickly do it.....it will disrupt the current system so much it will have high costs and consequences to it........

One of the best things that could happen right now is we get our manufacturing base back and restabilize the US...the rest of the world has to wait or get it going on their own.....which they should have done anyway.....

In any case, we will just all lose what we have, and most of us will be in debtors jail for something we didn't cause or had control over.....and maybe, just maybe the fleecing of our tax base will stop........

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Inflation is beign. That is what Dr Greenspan says....get my drift. :)
 
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Yes, and its that precise element in the equation that should be changed......if it did, the Feds and the markets would be in a different world at this time.....but you have to consider who runs the govt and the markets......and how they are tied together....what are they protecting, what are they trying to manipulate........once you havea fairassumption of this along with the system/equation that Greenspud is using, you then get a better view or what is going on......true lies never die, they just keep going and going and going.....like an everready battery.....

Only thing about it is.....if you try to make a profitof it, (you're playing with fire)....you will get burned....

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DMA wrote:
Tell me why a body should be able to control short rates in order to try to manipulate long term rates?

If you control short rates you also control stock prices.

Would not it be better all around if one body did that have this kind of power and the market decided everything?

Tell me where I am wrong?
you were born 2 late bro....in the 1800's that occured. and it was not very pleasant i might add.

it's all smoke and mirrors nowadaze.

print / tax / screw with the rates......and now with the new bk lawsevery one has to even pay their bills! it'sa perfect system...kinda like kindergarten "just shut up and and color " mentality.

remember econ 301 money and banking...it's legalized crime. the politician are puppets to the bankers of this world. that is the fact of our markets net..net..net!

did you ever read that book...creature from jekyl isl.???:^

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/creature.htm

wife and igo up there to the jekyl island club two to three times a year to eat...same buildings arestill there where this system was created.

great food with thepics of all those folks errrr hoodlums on every wall. the windows are the old style glass where everything you see thru them appears very fuzzy....LOL

tekno
 
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DMA wrote:
From the great Mogambo - he sends to me via e-mail.
love the guy / also get his e-mails / but i gotta say his timing is like reading "the brave new world" in the 50's.
 
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