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The ecomomy is slowing to a stop...PEs are still based on $25-30 crude...PEs have not been refigured for the expensing of stock options....ho humm...



U.S. Jan. ISM manufacturing index falls to 56.4% By Greg Robb
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Factory activity in the United States decelerated in January, the Institute for Supply Management reported Tuesday. The ISM index fell to 56.4 percent in January from a revised 57.3 percent in December. The decline was larger than expected. The consensus forecast of estimates collected by CBS Marketwatch was for the index to fall to 57.2. Readings above 50 indicate expansion. New orders fell to 56.5 in January from 62.6 in December.
 
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MarketTimer wrote:
The ecomomy is slowing to a stop...PEs are still based on $25-30 crude...PEs have not been refigured for the expensing of stock options....ho humm...



U.S. Jan. ISM manufacturing index falls to 56.4% By Greg Robb
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Factory activity in the United States decelerated in January, the Institute for Supply Management reported Tuesday. The ISM index fell to 56.4 percent in January from a revised 57.3 percent in December. The decline was larger than expected. The consensus forecast of estimates collected by CBS Marketwatch was for the index to fall to 57.2. Readings above 50 indicate expansion. New orders fell to 56.5 in January from 62.6 in December.
Well, I guess this amatuer will respond to give you something to bitch at. Jan is after Dec right? In Dec there is lots of "manufacturing"going on I believe. I'd expect adrop off in Jan. Perhaps I'm wrong. Let's see "readings above 50 indicate expansion". What was Jan? Oh that's right, 56.4. I read the same thing on marketwatch. You should post the rest of the commentary.

You're shorting the market, I'd be concerned too.................but you still have a couple of weeks to convince people to get out of stocks. Just not sure how doing it with TSP people helps you too much. Yes, a lot of fund managers are shorting the market right now, but I bet most are regretting it now. Who would of thought Iraq would go so well after all. You're desperate, you should be........ 100 million dollar fund and you're losing money? Find a bridge!!!!
 
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This is the full story - I italicized the last portion for emphasis. You'll see why when you read it. :D

NEW YORK -- Activity at the nation's factories increased for a 20th consecutive month in January, but the pace of expansion eased, reflecting sustained, moderate economic growth.

The Institute for Supply Management said Tuesday that its index measuring manufacturing activity declined to 56.4 in January -- analysts were expecting a reading of 57 -- from a revised reading of 57.3 in December.

Although the index declined, the fact that it remained above 50 indicates that the sector continued to grow last month but at a somewhat slower pace. A reading of 50 or above in the index means the manufacturing sector is expanding; a figure below 50 represents a contraction.

Economists said the reading shows the manufacturing sector continues to expand. But the growth is gradual, with the pace of new orders to plants slowing, despite a weak dollar that makes U.S. goods more competitive overseas.

"We are seeing consistent evidence that the economy is enjoying sustainable growth. It's not extremely robust growth, but it does appear that the economy is probably going to continue to grow at a healthy pace this year," said Gary Thayer, chief economist with A.G. Edwards & Sons Inc. in St. Louis.

In other economic news, the Commerce Department reported Tuesday that construction spending jumped by 1.1 percent in December, making last year the best for building activity since 1996. The December increase was the sector's best showing in eight months, a sign of robust activity in both private- and public-sector building projects.

For the year, building activity increased 9 percent to $998.4 billion, the largest increase since a 10.4 percent rise in 1996.

Total private residential activity rose by 14 percent to $542.7 billion last year, the biggest increase in a decade.
 
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bedee bee beep...THIS JUST IN....MarketTimer's Credibility Index just plummeted below 50% today and amateur pundits are waiting by the sidelines to see if a recovery is possible anytime soon...
 
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Wow up .31% is a big move for you???? I would say that is a sideways move.

Short still on...trend is down and I hope you stay long. How much you down so far this year??? Because I loved how quite you were January...ouch, ouch, ouch.

Good luck out there.

MT
 
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Mike wrote:
This is the full story - I italicized the last portion for emphasis. You'll see why when you read it. :D

NEW YORK -- Activity at the nation's factories increased for a 20th consecutive month in January, but the pace of expansion eased, reflecting sustained, moderate economic growth.

The Institute for Supply Management said Tuesday that its index measuring manufacturing activity declined to 56.4 in January -- analysts were expecting a reading of 57 -- from a revised reading of 57.3 in December.

Although the index declined, the fact that it remained above 50 indicates that the sector continued to grow last month but at a somewhat slower pace. A reading of 50 or above in the index means the manufacturing sector is expanding; a figure below 50 represents a contraction.

Economists said the reading shows the manufacturing sector continues to expand. But the growth is gradual, with the pace of new orders to plants slowing, despite a weak dollar that makes U.S. goods more competitive overseas.

"We are seeing consistent evidence that the economy is enjoying sustainable growth. It's not extremely robust growth, but it does appear that the economy is probably going to continue to grow at a healthy pace this year," said Gary Thayer, chief economist with A.G. Edwards & Sons Inc. in St. Louis.

In other economic news, the Commerce Department reported Tuesday that construction spending jumped by 1.1 percent in December, making last year the best for building activity since 1996. The December increase was the sector's best showing in eight months, a sign of robust activity in both private- and public-sector building projects.

For the year, building activity increased 9 percent to $998.4 billion, the largest increase since a 10.4 percent rise in 1996.

Total private residential activity rose by 14 percent to $542.7 billion last year, the biggest increase in a decade.
Maybe because you cut and pasted your report from another source? I cut and pasted the breaking news report at marketwatch when it crossed the wires...I am guess you cut and pasted for NY TIMES?

I would rather each news source would write the story a little different but since this is a site about investing I would say you should use the financial news sites....but the trend is down, GDP trend is down, earnings trend is down and the stock market trend is down....and inflation is up...I would say from past experience trading in this type of market that is not helpful for stock or bonds.

Also, it is kind of wrong to blast me for chopping stuff out of a story when you got your story from another site. Because I could go to another site and cut and paste another story and say you changed yours.

Anyone agree....
 
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Just read the by lines...mine is from Washington Dc and was a breaking news story so it was short and sweet and yours was from New York...and you say I cut material out of the story you read....hmmmevery different site that carried the story was probably a little different, maybe???

I would appreciate in the future not doing stuff like this....SEE MT is changing the story....it is from a freaking different source then where you were reading from.

Good luck in the market tomorrow....and please stay long.

MT
 
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Mine was from the local paper (it did not give an author, so I am left to guess that it's AP).

Based on how you interpret everything as bearish / underperforming / bad, I felt the need to refute your conclusions, which the full story did a fairly good job of doing.

BTW, I'd strongly advise you not to take shots at people on here for what their individual returns are, considering you do not post your moves (other than your current line of saying you are shorting the market). You claim to be doing well and give us no means of verifying. That's all well and good, but as long as you are going to do that, I'm going to continue to look upon you with a great deal of suspicion. And if you continue taking shots at those of us posting our moves on here for all to see, that suspicion will turn into outright hostility.

Be careful out there, indeed.
 
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Even from you own story that you posted should tell you pain is ahead....



Economists said the reading shows the manufacturing sector continues to expand. But the growth is gradual, with the pace of new orders to plants slowing, despite a weak dollar that makes U.S. goods more competitive overseas.

OK what that means is lay offs, line shut downs and loss of earnings...another worry is the build up for Xmas does not start until July-August...and inventories are high....that may mean plants could shut down for a couple of months to let the inventory bleed off...because they can not sell at a discount move them due to margains...

ok. Good luck. You need to read the story and say What does that mean for stocks? Not MT cut out a paragraph from the story I read that was obviously to a third grader from the by line was from a different source.

Good luck out there.
 
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Mike wrote:
Mine was from the local paper (it did not give an author, so I am left to guess that it's AP).

Based on how you interpret everything as bearish / underperforming / bad, I felt the need to refute your conclusions, which the full story did a fairly good job of doing.

BTW, I'd strongly advise you not to take shots at people on here for what their individual returns are, considering you do not post your moves (other than your current line of saying you are shorting the market). You claim to be doing well and give us no means of verifying. That's all well and good, but as long as you are going to do that, I'm going to continue to look upon you with a great deal of suspicion. And if you continue taking shots at those of us posting our moves on here for all to see, that suspicion will turn into outright hostility.

Be careful out there, indeed.
All ready answered your question....before you posted yours....sometimes you have to read between the lines to figure out what it means....new orders slowing and high inventories is BULLISH...you are right....can you take me under your wing??? They will just keep those old lines open and produce more product because slowing orders is a good thing!!!!! YEah I got it!!!!
 
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Nice side step....you say I am changing news stories from the one you read and that is not taking a pot shot???

You must be down because the return thing kind of got to ya huh?

Easy to make money...hard to keep.

I am shorting the heck out of the stock market because it is going down...so why would I post moves I was going long?

I have been saying since August 2004 that the market is going to crater starting the first of the year....

Good luck out there!

MT



Mike wrote:
Mine was from the local paper (it did not give an author, so I am left to guess that it's AP).

Based on how you interpret everything as bearish / underperforming / bad, I felt the need to refute your conclusions, which the full story did a fairly good job of doing.

BTW, I'd strongly advise you not to take shots at people on here for what their individual returns are, considering you do not post your moves (other than your current line of saying you are shorting the market). You claim to be doing well and give us no means of verifying. That's all well and good, but as long as you are going to do that, I'm going to continue to look upon you with a great deal of suspicion. And if you continue taking shots at those of us posting our moves on here for all to see, that suspicion will turn into outright hostility.

Be careful out there, indeed.
 
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BTW, where did I actually SAY THAT YOU CUT out a part of the story? I made no such accusation.

I merely said "this is the full story" - meaning a more complete version - one that included other data which was positive, along with an economist's analysis of the supposedly negative factory data.

You're just upset that I'm here to balance out your constant negativity. I'd be trying to get people to bail too if I was shorting the market - that's the only way you will make money off this position of yours. Why you choose to try to scare federal workers who don't have a ton of money in the market to begin with is beyond me, but to each his own, I guess.

If you want to attack me, go right ahead and do it. I can take the heat - but can you take the return fire?

BTW, I find it hilarious that some tool is going to attack my returns when he doesn't post his own moves. Make your moves transparent like I do, or put a sock in it.
 
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This is the full story - I italicized the last portion for emphasis.

Mike...this is the full story means - I cut part of it out or I left part of it out. We can go around and around...but if you stop and read what you wrote...that means I left or cut part of the story out.

I am shorting the market...I have NO longs.

I can take the fire because I am banking cash...I am just trying to bring a view point other then BULLISH on this board...because I understand what is going on and what is going to happen moving forward.

Good luck out there.
MT
 
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Mike,

You can buy an I bond right now that yields 3.67%...GDP is 3.1%...that means GDP is under inflation....that means the economy has stopped growing and retracting...does that make sense to you....when GDP goes under inflation that means recession....when recession happens stocks and bonds suffer and the only think that works is shorting the market.

It make take tomorrow it make take next week it may take next month...the buy on dips just make it worse and last longer.

I am trying to help not make money off the people on this board.

Good luck and god bless.

MT
 
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I said it that way because I wanted to emphasize the positive portion of the story - *not* to assert that you deliberately "chopped" part of it out - sorry if it came out that way, it wasn't supposed to. You seem to be caught in a time warp. I don't see any reckless bullishness around here like one might have seen in 1999. If anything, I see a lot of caution - even I'm cautious, and I have a 40 year horizon!

This is what has been said lately:
"Down Januarys = down years most of the time".
"Down Januarys are usually followed by down Februarys"... Sarah posted those.

I've posted comments indicating that I think the market will finish the year flat to modestly higher (single digits). Again, not that bullish.

If you scour the site, I'm sure others have been expressing similar sentiment. The most common of all of them seems to be a bearish one on the dollar. Of course, this condition could change if we fix our deficit and interest rates continue climbing to bring back some foreign investment at higher rates of return in our securities...

This is definitely not a "buy tech!" type of site right now at 200x earnings. :P
 
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MarketTimer wrote:
Mike,

You can buy an I bond right now that yields 3.67%...GDP is 3.1%...

MT

You might want to know about this story pertaining to 4th Qtr GDP figures...

U.S. Says Canada Error May Have Affected 4th-Qtr GDP (Update3)

Jan. 31 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. fourth-quarter gross domestic product figures may be revised higher by as much as 0.5 percentage point because of an error in Canada's November trade report, economists said.

``If there is a mistake in the tabulation of data by Statistics Canada that was used in the U.S. trade estimates, and that does appear likely at this point, then the correction of that error would have an impact on BEA's estimate of GDP,'' said Ralph Kozlow, associate director for international economics at the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. He didn't specify a figure.

The Commerce Department three days ago said the U.S. economy cooled to a 3.1 percent annual rate last quarter, damped by a record trade deficit that included a widening gap with Canada. StatsCan, the agency responsible for Canadian trade and GDP figures, today said it mistakenly underreported November imports from the U.S. by C$1.31 billion ($1.06 billion) on Jan. 12.

Estimates for how much the error will add to U.S. GDP when corrected range from 0.1 percentage points from Morgan Stanley in New York to 0.5 points by Joseph Carson, director of economic research at Alliance Bernstein in New York.

``This is just the first sign that the revision is going to be a plus and is going to be a substantial plus,'' said Carson, whose estimate includes a related assumption that December's trade gap also won't be as wide as the government projected.

Canada Error

Economist Ted Wieseman of Morgan Stanley projected a 0.1 percent revision, and Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics in Valhalla, New York, predicted a gain of about a quarter percentage point. Regardless, a higher figure will bolster the Federal Reserve's plan to raise interest rates this week and in coming months, Shepherdson said.

``It does not change the big picture, but a number nearer to 3.5 percent would reinforce the impression that the Fed is right to continue steadily raising rates,'' Shepherdson said.

Canada's imports from the U.S. totaled C$19.5 billion in November compared with C$18.2 billion estimated earlier this month. The mistake would boost total U.S. exports for last quarter, leading to a smaller trade deficit. The trade figures subtracted 1.7 percentage points from GDP, the most since the second quarter of 1998.

StatsCan gets its raw data from import filings collected by the Canada Border Services Agency. The forms contain data on the value of the goods, a description and their origin. Customs computers automatically send StatsCan seven days worth of data every Monday. Customs technicians shut down their computer system Nov. 25 to install upgrades and that day's data wasn't submitted to StatsCan, spokesman Chris Kealey said.

Record U.S. Trade Gap

StatsCan since has taken measures to ensure the error doesn't happen again, Kealey said. The agency uncovered the situation on Jan. 24 and informed the U.S., he said.

The U.S. will issue its trade report for December on Feb. 10. The gap swelled to a record $60.3 billion in November, the Commerce Department reported last month.

Revisions to trade figures may have an effect above and beyond a single month's release and magnify the effect on GDP, economists including Wieseman said. A smaller trade gap in November would mean the economy was a stronger trajectory heading into the last month of the year and result in a smaller-than- projected deficit for the quarter.

``Our forecast for December trade even before today's release, if correct, would imply an upward revision to Q4 of several tenths,'' said Wieseman, in a report to clients. ``But, we should be clear to distinguish between the direct impact of the StatsCan error and the impact of economists' guesses for the December numbers relative to the BEA assumptions.'' Wieseman estimates the direct effect will boost GDP by just 0.1 percent.

GDP figures for the last three months of the year are released before data on December trade and inventories are available. For that reason, the government must make assumptions about that the figures will say when released in ensuing months.

The expected changes for November trade will probably mean the government's guess for the December number is also too high, said Alliance Bernstein's Carson. This, together with income levels that look too low relative to corporate profits, led to his prediction of a 0.5 percentage point boost to GDP when the revised preliminary figures are released Feb. 25.
 
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Mike wrote:
This is what has been said lately:
"Down Januarys = down years most of the time".
"Down Januarys are usually followed by down Februarys"... Sarah posted those.
I checked the TSP site and since 1988 we have had 6down Jan. in the C Fund with the following Feb. being 3up and 3 down.

Just another FYI.
 
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Show-me wrote:
I checked the TSP site and since 1988 we have had 6down Jan. in the C Fund with the following Feb. being 3up and 3 down.

Just another FYI.
1990 - January down 6.9%, February up 0.9%

1992 - January down 2.0%, February up 1.0%

2000 - January down 5.1%, February down 2.0%

2002 - January down 1.6%, February down 2.1%

2003 - January down 2.7%, February down 1.7%

2005 - January down 2.4%,February ???

(February has been down in 5 of the past 6 years) FYI
 
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