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An oily sheen covered a roughly 400-square-mile section of the Gulf on Sunday, an area larger than the five boroughs of New York. The slick lies about 70 miles south of the Mississippi and Alabama coastline, said the U.S. Coast Guard. Meanwhile, efforts to shut off the well have been unsuccessful. The leak, which was discovered Saturday through information from underwater cameras, is still gushing 1,000 barrels a day from the seafloor.
 
I would of thought it would have been automatic..

Poor weather conditions offshore hampered cleanup efforts on Saturday. Authorities have approved a plan to use submersible remote-operated vehicles in an effort to activate a "blowout preventer" on the sea floor, Coast Guard Senior Chief Petty Officer Mike O'Berry said in a statement Sunday.
A blowout preventer is a large valve at the top of a well. Activating it will stop the flow of oil, O'Berry said.
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/25/oil.rig.explosion/?hpt=T2
 
Guess not.

What were you telling me the other day Buster? That they have technology now that prevents this kind of thing?

Guess we'll have to wait and see how much oil gets dumped into the Gulf of Mexico before they are able to do something to stop it.


Drill, Baby Drill has a very high price, indeed.
 
James48843 said:
Guess not.

What were you telling me the other day Buster? That they have technology now that prevents this kind of thing?

Guess we'll have to wait and see how much oil gets dumped into the Gulf of Mexico before they are able to do something to stop it.


Drill, Baby Drill has a very high price, indeed.
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LIFE has a high price in general if you choose to live in better than primitive conditions...The very fact you are typing on a keyboard and using a computer tells me you are enjoying the benefits of OIL...

Don't act all cocky and like you told us so...

And yes, I did tell everyone, not just you, there was devices (call it technology if you want to) to prevent this...Guns have safeties too, Planes have Stall indicators too, Car have Brakes, seat belts, air bags too..do they ALWAYS WORK...NO!

Appearently you chose not read this....

Authorities have approved a plan to use submersible remote-operated vehicles in an effort to activate a "blowout preventer" on the sea floor, Coast Guard Senior Chief Petty Officer Mike O'Berry said in a statement Sunday.
A blowout preventer is a large valve at the top of a well. Activating it will stop the flow of oil
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Not BP again! So sloppy. :rolleyes: If I remember properly, recent Alaska fiasco and crappy solar panels. BP = we are so beyond petrolem we don't watch our existing business!
 
Silverbird said:
Not BP again! So sloppy. :rolleyes: If I remember properly, recent Alaska fiasco and crappy solar panels. BP = we are so beyond petrolem we don't watch our existing business!
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Run by the same people that run the coal mines in WV?

I don't think it's anything like that..


Simply..Feces Occurs
 
Actually, they are trying to move away from coal, and recently dissed it as messy. But they really are the wrong messenger given their mishaps.
 
This is an absolute disaster.

This is so symbolic of the problems in America, but people are too dumb to take the 5 seconds from their pathetic twitter and facebook ridden lives to understand it. Instead of caring, Americans are more concerned with 'dire economic times' even though we're in an alleged bull market. Markets gapping down are more important than a slow oil leak that has it's eyes set on the Exxon Valdez record because at the end of the day the ONLY thing that matters at all to our leaders is the stock market. If it's going up (like today it was up 2.5-3% even though it finished down) the economy must truly be in good shape and everybody should be making money.

I guess we'll have to wait 10 years to really know the effects and I'm sure by that time BP or Transocean or whoever the patsy is, will do nothing more than write a small check (that will be mitigated after appeals) from their earnings when gasoline is at $5 a gallon.
 
Bullitt said:
This is an absolute disaster.

This is so symbolic of the problems in America, but people are too dumb to take the 5 seconds from their pathetic twitter and facebook ridden lives to understand it.
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This is where I think you are not quite right.....People know what to do, we are smart. The problem is we are powerless to do anything except plead with those in charge. Those in charge need to be reminded. It is not Joe Smith or Mary Jane's fault, it is ours as a collective.

What is the fix? Do we turn off oil usage? Do we just drill in other countries?

James and I said in week one of this catastrophe - to get independent experts involved to start overseeing the process to stop the insanity. I even told my congressman Hon. Calvert to get more experts 3 freaking weeks ago. The regulations need to be enforced AND reworked now that there is known fallacies in the system.

Then focus on GETTING OFF OF OIL as our fuel of choice.:mad:
 
Bullitt said:
This is an absolute disaster.

I guess we'll have to wait 10 years to really know the effects.
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Actually that's kind of funny - cause a lot of people believe that.

I'll bring the data in tomorrow and share some details. You'd be amazed at what happens -- at least 30 years later.




What totally blows my mind -- is why on earth BP did NOT do the 'American Thing' and declare bankrupty (sp) goosh :rolleyes: - that would have been way easier.

Then they could have simply said, 'Accidents will happen'.


Anyway - no use crying over spilt milk. But I'll bring what 7,000 scientists recently found with the Exxon Valdese spill and everyone can get a clue.

Gulf is just a small part though -- the worst is yet to come.

Well later all --- I'm really out ;)
 
Frixxxx said:
Then focus on GETTING OFF OF OIL as our fuel of choice.:mad:
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That is exactly what this administration has been waiting for...a call to get us off the oil and on to the "green" options of his cronies.

I like green options, but until those options are more commercially viable, we need to keep oil flowing. Preferable in pipes leading into ships, or through a pipeline, and not directly into the environment.
 
Frixxxx said:
...The problem is we are powerless to do anything except plead with those in charge. Those in charge need to be reminded. It is not Joe Smith or Mary Jane's fault, it is ours as a collective.

What is the fix? Do we turn off oil usage? Do we just drill in other countries?
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Then focus on GETTING OFF OF OIL as our fuel of choice.:mad:
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There IS a solution. It's here TODAY. It's here NOW. It can be done over the next couple of years, IF we have the organization and desire to truly change as a society.


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This week we passed the 2,300 pump mark on the number of E85 pumps in this country.

http://e85prices.com

We have the technology TODAY to create and replace ALL of the oil we currently import, OR all of the oil we drill offshore.


The first commercially functioning municipal waste to ethanol plant opened three weeks ago in Iowa.

We have enough corn now to replace almost a third of our gasoline, IF everyone who had a flex-fuel vehicle actually had a pump close by and used it. We could begin NEXT YEAR with an "open fuel standard", to require ALL new cars to be E85 capable. It would add about $100 to the price of a new car.

We can make ethanol from corn. From sugar cane. From sugar beets. From municipal waste. From switchgrass. From wood chips now.

We are working on ethanol from Algea now, and it's expected to be commercially viable within a couple years.

What we need is the political will to make it so. Just go ask Brazil, who moved from a gasoline and oil importing nation, to an exporting one, because they required cars to use ethanol.


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James48843 said:
There IS a solution. It's here TODAY. It's here NOW. It can be done over the next couple of years, IF we have the organization and desire to truly change as a society.




This week we passed the 2,300 pump mark on the number of E85 pumps in this country.​






We have the technology TODAY to create and replace ALL of the oil we currently import, OR all of the oil we drill offshore.​






The first commercially functioning municipal waste to ethanol plant opened three weeks ago in Iowa.​



We have enough corn now to replace almost a third of our gasoline, IF everyone who had a flex-fuel vehicle actually had a pump close by and used it. We could begin NEXT YEAR with an "open fuel standard", to require ALL new cars to be E85 capable. It would add about $100 to the price of a new car.​



We can make ethanol from corn. From sugar cane. From sugar beets. From municipal waste. From switchgrass. From wood chips now.​



We are working on ethanol from Algea now, and it's expected to be commercially viable within a couple years.​



What we need is the political will to make it so. Just go ask Brazil, who moved from a gasoline and oil importing nation, to an exporting one, because they required cars to use ethanol.​
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I'm all for it...Maybe my next generation of cars will be able to use it..we'll see.
 
Bullitt said:
This is an absolute disaster.

I guess we'll have to wait 10 years to really know the effects
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Maybe things aren't nearly as 'BAD' as it seems.

Last summer, 20 years after the Exxon spill of 11 million gallons of crude into Prince William Sound, scientists took 9,000 samples from holes dug along the impacted shoreline.

They found OIL in:
A. Less than 1/4th
B. 1/4th
C. 1/3rd
D. 1/2 or more

The OIL that was found:
A. Is no longer a threat to any life form and things are on the mend.
B. Is associated with breakdown products that will continue to enter the food chain for years to come.

31 species of Wildlife were impacted by the spill, and 20 years later:
A. 7/8ths have fully recovered
B. 3/4ths have fully recovered
C. 1/3rd have fully recovered
D. 1/4th at best have fully recovered

Wildlife that was once hugely abundant:
A. 20 years later are filling the Sound again
B. 20 years later remain absent from the Sound.

Well this is a good place to start.

Reflect on these and let me know what you think is true.

To honestly understand the Gulf Oil Spill - which now has an OIL cloud bigger than the State of Maryland and Delaware combined.

I'd have to cover the Wildlife Species in the Gulf and along the coasts and in the Marshs. Would have to explain how the currents move and interact in that region with the rest of the Ocean.

Would have to explain the LONG TERM consequences of what would happen with even LOW-LEVEL contamination on species such as bluefin tuna, bottlenose dolphins, sperm whales, and manatees --

and all the more on 'humans' who may consume tainted food.

Anyone know where the 'Greatest Coastal Wetland System in America' is ?
 
James48843 said:
We are working on ethanol from Algea now, and it's expected to be commercially viable within a couple years.​



What we need is the political will to make it so. Just go ask Brazil, who moved from a gasoline and oil importing nation, to an exporting one, because they required cars to use ethanol.​
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James, once again, the people of the United States ARE the political movement. We are a nation of the people by the people.

If we as a society make it so, then we win. I would give anything to run my motorcycle on ethanol. But pay some farmers to start growing Beets, and stop paying them to grow nothing.:mad:
 
Rested acres are rested for more than one reason, not just to prevent overproduction of a particular crop and support crop prices.

crop rotation for soil nutrition, Frixxx. Can't keep growing the same crop on the same acres every year, unless use massive inputs of fossil-fuel based fertilizer.

Other thing is the Dust Bowl happened because too much marginal land in the wrong climate regions got put under the plow and drought led to massive losses of topsoil due to lack of vegetation.

Sometimes acres are fallowed because the soil needs to store up soil moisture for more than one year before it can grow a crop again-dryland farming.
 
Frixxxx said:
The problem is we are powerless to do anything except plead with those in charge.
This is the most important underlying TRUTH

Those in charge need to be reminded. It is not Joe Smith or Mary Jane's fault, it is ours as a collective.
I will PROVE - you WRONG - the collective are powerless ;)

What is the fix? Do we turn off oil usage? Do we just drill in other countries?
I'll tell you somethings you don't know yet.
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Viva La Migra said:
That is exactly what this administration has been waiting for...a call to get us off the oil and on to the "green" options of his cronies.

Then let's make this a Political Discussion and I will gladly bring out the FACTS. :D
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Frixxxx said:
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James, once again, the people of the United States ARE the political movement. We are a nation of the people by the people.
I'll stick with the Subject of OIL and Natural Gas -- :p
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alevin said:
Rested acres are rested for more than one reason, not just to prevent overproduction of a particular crop and support crop prices.

Sometimes acres are fallowed because the soil needs to store up soil moisture for more than one year before it can grow a crop again-dryland farming.
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'Rested acres' -- Excellent Point.

I'll start with the 44 million acres of Federal Public Lands that are now leased to energy companies - overseen by the Bureau of Land Management.

Will PROVE what ONE Administration can do if they want to do it.
 
Not once did I say we need to fix the problem. Instead I said we need to understand it. Get the facts to humans from elementary school to grad school in hopes of people taking steps to understand the problem and work towards a fix sooner than later. You can't fix what you can't understand.

Steady, I saw a show a few years back on the 20th anniversary and from what I remember, the oil company report said the oil was gone and independent researchers said it will take centuries to go away. I also remember that the initial lawsuit was something hundred million dollars against Exxon and it was mitigated to some hundred thousand. I know Killer Whales have not recovered.

If humans learn anything from this, I'll be amazed. The same things are happening now as before; everybody would rather point the finger at somebody else to make somebody else the bad guy while the man in the mirror looks like the good shepherd.

On a positive note, there is probably a kid somewhere in this world sleeping through middle school math who has an answer to our alternative energy problems. I'm thinking that whatever we will be using in 50 years for energy hasn't even been thought of yet. Since we brought it up, I do not believe ethanol is the answer in the long term.
 
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