Golf Pool... British Open 2013

[tsptalk]

I was just stating the new thread when you posted this.

http://www.tsptalk.com/mb/site-news-announcements/17534-golf-pool-pga-championship-2013-a.html

 

[rcknfrewld]

hey Obgibby the PGA Championship has snook up on us...how are we doing it...we should use +/- to make it easier to keep track of our score...I say we still should go with 4 out of 5...if we pick more golfers we will all end up picking the same golfers...cut players have to get worse score than last place finish

 

[Scrappy]

doesn't this make sense

rckn,
All options could work. I think OB is lookin for the easiest for tracking and others have had issues with the fairness of strokes associated with their picks missing the cut. I tried to address both:
Why not Eliminate tracking cut players and how to fairly add strokes?

Changing to 7 initial picks should give more people the possibility to have 4 that make the cut. At the same time it could be easier to track after Friday's rounds since only the people with 4 players who make the cut are tracked and only 4 players per person are tracked instead of tracking 5 or more players and adding strokes. Only the people in the pool who have made the cut would be tracked on Saturday & Sunday (just like tournament golf). No need to worry about cut players or how many strokes to add or doing all the math and tracking.

 

[rcknfrewld]

we should score our pool with the players score relative to par...+2, E, -2 instead of the place they finish...that would be easier to keep track of...but there has to be a penalty for picking someone who misses the cut...if we decide to still pick 5 golfers, 5 more strokes should be added to a MC...if we increase our picks to say 7, we add on 7 more strokes...having to pick 10 golfers and taking the best 8 could be more interesting...I would vote for that

doesn't this make sense

 

[Scrappy]

More picks could become unmanageable. From my perspective everything seems to be working just fine! Why fix it if it ain't broke?

OB,
I am ok with whatever is decided.
I do like the idea of picking 7 and using best 4 but only if 4 make the cut.
If someone doesnt pick 4 that make the cut then forget all the options to add strokes etc.
They just dont make the pool cut.
So, all the people who have 4 picks who make the cut compete using their combined scores relative to par.

This could go on with lots of options. I even like the idea of someone benefitting more for picking the winner as one of their 4 picks.

Maybe you could present options on one of your handy spreadsheets and we could take a vote?

 

[tsptalk]

How about using par, but multiplying a cut players' score by 2 at the final? ... +8 after 2 rounds becomes +16 total? Still hurts but not as devastating to your score, and less devastating to the players who missed the cut by just a couple strokes.

 

[rcknfrewld]

we are trying to rig it so you cannot get your slamy...seriously though scoring to relation to par would be easier

 

[OBGibby]

More picks could become unmanageable. From my perspective everything seems to be working just fine! Why fix it if it ain't broke?

 

[rcknfrewld]

we should score our pool with the players score relative to par...+2, E, -2 instead of the place they finish...that would be easier to keep track of...but there has to be a penalty for picking someone who misses the cut...if we decide to still pick 5 golfers, 5 more strokes should be added to a MC...if we increase our picks to say 7, we add on 7 more strokes...having to pick 10 golfers and taking the best 8 could be more interesting...I would vote for that

 

[rcknfrewld]

but you should get rewarded for picking a guy who makes the cut vs. someone who doesnt..a playe who makes the cut at+8 might end up+10...vs. someone who missed the cut at +8...not right

 

[tsptalk]

True, and with using +/- par scoring (instead of total strokes), you can even use those who missed the cut. If they were +8 and missed the cut, it stays +8.

 

[Scrappy]

Not to sound like sour grapes, but I think there may be a better way to score a pool like this. Currently, you can pick the winner, 2nd, and 3rd correctly, but if 2 of your players don't make the cut, and in some cases by a stroke or two, you're done.

This week a few players who made the cut by a stroke or two, came back over the weekend and made a run toward the leaders. It becomes more about who you didn't pick, then who you did. I knew by Friday, I had no chance and it kind of took the fun out of it for me over the weekend.

I haven't come up with anything in particular, but I thought incorporating the betting odds somehow, to add bonus points for picking long shots.

Any ideas?, or do you like it as is?

First CONGRATS to OB!
Second, i think picking 7 players and using score of best 4 would increase the odds of everyone having four picks make the cut.
I like scoring better than position tracking but doesnt matter either way but scoring is also much easier if tracked by strokes over/even/under.
For example if your four picks finish at +2, +2, E (even), -1 then your final score is +3. If all four picks play well, i can almost do the math in my head....: )

 

[rcknfrewld]

Keep it down you fools! The last thing we need is the liberal crowd on this Board to see us reveling in our freedom of having a good time before they come over to tell us we should be ashamed of ourselves, worthy of increased taxes and wealth redistribution, and they'll start clamoring to shut us down.

I'm sending FWM a private message right now...Obgibby you are in for it now

 

[OBGibby]

he should be punished for being so successful...how dare he...he couldn't have won twice without Tom creating the website, myself introducing the pool, some chinamen creating his computer, his parents for making him, somebody obviously introduced him to golf, he couldn't even watch the golf without having a tv which a store let him buy...how did he get to best buy...in a car the union made and on roads he didn't build....disgusting...he should be ashamed of himself

Keep it down you fools! The last thing we need is the liberal crowd on this Board to see us reveling in our freedom of having a good time before they come over to tell us we should be ashamed of ourselves, worthy of increased taxes and wealth redistribution, and they'll start clamoring to shut us down.

 

[rcknfrewld]

i think if would be fairer, and a whole lot more fun, if obgibby wasn't allowed to play anymore. but he should definately keep being in charge of the spreadsheets.

he should be punished for being so successful...how dare he...he couldn't have won twice without Tom creating the website, myself introducing the pool, some chinamen creating his computer, his parents for making him, somebody obviously introduced him to golf, he couldn't even watch the golf without having a tv which a store let him buy...how did he get to best buy...in a car the union made and on roads he didn't build....disgusting...he should be ashamed of himself

 

[rcknfrewld]

I picked the 4 out of 5 format because that is the format high school and college uses for their golf tournaments
If a pro misses the cut he receives no money...he actually loses money...flight and hotel costs...I think they also have to pay an "entry" fee just to play even if they qualify for the tournament

 

[burrocrat]

i think if would be fairer, and a whole lot more fun, if obgibby wasn't allowed to play anymore. but he should definately keep being in charge of the spreadsheets.

 

[OBGibby]

Not to sound like sour grapes, but I think there may be a better way to score a pool like this. Currently, you can pick the winner, 2nd, and 3rd correctly, but if 2 of your players don't make the cut, and in some cases by a stroke or two, you're done.

This week a few players who made the cut by a stroke or two, came back over the weekend and made a run toward the leaders. It becomes more about who you didn't pick, then who you did. I knew by Friday, I had no chance and it kind of took the fun out of it for me over the weekend.

I haven't come up with anything in particular, but I thought incorporating the betting odds somehow, to add bonus points for picking long shots.

Any ideas?, or do you like it as is?

I'm open to new ideas, but haven't come across anything yet that is comparable.

 

[tsptalk]

Not to sound like sour grapes, but I think there may be a better way to score a pool like this. Currently, you can pick the winner, 2nd, and 3rd correctly, but if 2 of your players don't make the cut, and in some cases by a stroke or two, you're done.

This week a few players who made the cut by a stroke or two, came back over the weekend and made a run toward the leaders. It becomes more about who you didn't pick, then who you did. I knew by Friday, I had no chance and it kind of took the fun out of it for me over the weekend.

I haven't come up with anything in particular, but I thought incorporating the betting odds somehow, to add bonus points for picking long shots.

Any ideas?, or do you like it as is?

 

[tsptalk]

Congrats, OBG!