Fund Prices

[Guest]

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Since the TSP website is down, I assume they won't be updating the price per shares.

Does anyone know how the indices ended up yesterday? As best I can figure, the C was up .22%, the S was down about .32%, and the I was up about 15%. Is this about right?

 

[Guest]

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What do you care? You were in G fund! Yesterday I went 80% G fund and wish I would of done 100% G fund.

:shock: C fund was up 1.9%, S fund was up .03 and I fund was up 5.46%





THE TSP TICKER
mlk_man wrote:

Since the TSP website is down, I assume they won't be updating the price per shares.

Does anyone know how the indices ended up yesterday? As best I can figure, the C was up .22%, the S was down about .32%, and the I was up about 15%. Is this about right?

 

[Guest]

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MarketTimer wrote:

What do you care? You were in G fund! Yesterday I went 80% G fund and wish I would of done 100% G fund.

:shock: C fund was up 1.9%, S fund was up .03 and I fund was up 5.46%





Daily Change:
1.90
5.46
0.03



THE TSP TICKER
mlk_man wrote:

Since the TSP website is down, I assume they won't be updating the price per shares.

Does anyone know how the indices ended up yesterday? As best I can figure, the C was up .22%, the S was down about .32%, and the I was up about 15%. Is this about right?

 

[Guest]

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MarketTimer wrote:

What do you care? You were in G fund! Yesterday I went 80% G fund and wish I would of done 100% G fund.

:shock: C fund was up 1.9%, S fund was up .03 and I fund was up 5.46%





THE TSP TICKER
mlk_man wrote:

Since the TSP website is down, I assume they won't be updating the price per shares.

Does anyone know how the indices ended up yesterday? As best I can figure, the C was up .22%, the S was down about .32%, and the I was up about 15%. Is this about right?

You big dummy. No way was the C fund up 1.9% yesterday. Maybe 1.9 cents?

 

[jwlane]

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mlk_man wrote:

Since the TSP website is down, I assume they won't be updating the price per shares.

Does anyone know how the indices ended up yesterday? As best I can figure, the C was up .22%, the S was down about .32%, and the I was up about 15%. Is this about right?

None of the share prices will change at all, because no trading is being done with the assets during the closure.

 

[Guest]

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jwlane wrote:

mlk_man wrote:

Since the TSP website is down, I assume they won't be updating the price per shares.

Does anyone know how the indices ended up yesterday? As best I can figure, the C was up .22%, the S was down about .32%, and the I was up about 15%. Is this about right?

None of the share prices will change at all, because no trading is being done with the assets during the closure.

Friend of MT's? I mean Harley? I mean, you guys related? If you knew what you were talking about, you'd realize how stupid your comment is. I guess I'll bother with a reply. Is the stock market on vacation too? If you have a system and don't play "well I did this the other day and told my mother, you ask her", you need to know what the share prices are so you can you can input them. Guess maybe some employees at TSP don't have anything to do since yesterday, so perhaps I was right all along. Huh MT? You people think we are so stupid it's funny. Get back to work please.......

 

[Mike]

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I'll explain in a slightly less abbrasive way ...

Fund price per share is based upon the value of its holdings and how those holdings are performing. Those holdings are either stocks (C, S, I) or bonds (F). It really doesn't matter what people are doing within the TSP system. The amount of people and money involved isminiscule when compared to what's happening at the market level.

This is why, for example, you'll notice the change in the share price of the C fund on a particular day comes very close to the change in the S&P index.

 

[FundSurfer]

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[align=right]1,120.80
1,126.04
1,120.37
1,123.50
1,305,280,000
1,123.50

15-Sep-04
1,125.67
1,128.33
1,119.75
1,120.37
1,696,930,048
1,120.37

14-Sep-04
1,125.96
1,129.35
1,124.74
1,128.33
1,566,360,064
1,128.33

13-Sep-04
1,125.57
1,129.79
1,123.35
1,125.82
1,712,109,952
1,125.82

10-Sep-04
1,117.35
1,125.16
1,114.50
1,123.92
1,640,829,952
1,123.92



Date
Open
High
Low
Close
Volume
Adj Close
[/align]
S&P 500 Index from Yahoo...

 

[jwlane]

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You are correct, the stock market is not on vacation. The people responsible for trading the TSP assets is. As explained to me by them months ago (when I inquired why the early trading cut-off time), every day they trade in the tracking funds according to the transfer/reallocation/purchase transactions by TSP members that morning. If there are no transactions, no trading will occur. There will be no change in fund prices from the 13th until the day transactions are again accepted.

And I'm not MT. I'm new to the board and only wish it could be run like a real investment fund.

 

[cowboy]

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I am not new to this sight and have been following it since Tom started it even though I have never posted. I believe that there is no transactions taking place at the moment but it will be updated after their return as the funds follow their respected markets. It would be ironic if those in stocks do not get the value of that stock on the 20th. The markets are still fluctuating even though TSP is closed. The sad part is no one can make an interfund move until that time so someof us missed out ongetting in Wednesdays dropbutthe market will give us another chance it always does.

 

[jwlane]

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A similar situation exists on the 2 federal holidays when the TSP is closed but the markets are open (Veterans Day, Columbus Day). No transactions, no change in share price. I guess on Good Friday the TSP folks take a long lunch, since the markets are closed but it's not a federal holiday.

 

[Mike]

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That sounds like total BS. Right now, no new transactions are taking place with the TSP funds. However, that does not change their current holdings.

Let's say you hold 300 shares of a mutual fund. Now let's say the management goes on vacation and makes no new acquisitions/sales for a few days. It doesn't matter that the fund manager is not trading during this time.The fundvalue will continue to fluctuate according to what its holdings are and how they are performing in the market at that time.

The same rule applies to the TSP funds. Just because we can't make any transfers right now does NOT mean that the funds will hold their September 13th value through Monday. The price of the shares will follow what the market is doing.

If you don't believe this, where exactly do you think our money is that is invested in these funds?


I'd also be curious to know what Tom's take is on this.

 

[cowboy]

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I agree with Mike, if you look back you will see that on Nov. 10 the price is different then Nov. 12. Even though you don't trade on TSP if that market goes down and your holding it you will get that value. It fluctuated for 2 days before it was updated. If your TSP didn't fluctuate would you make an interfund transfer Monday? :^

 

[puertorico]

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I think in monday they will add wed,thur and friday market result...

 

[Timer]

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Can we all just take a deep breath and settle down? If you differ with someone's position don't take it as an affront. Can we stop and think a minute about treating each other the way we would like to be treated?

Peace :^

 

[jwlane]

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The prices on Monday will be determined by the TSP trader's purchases based on the transactions received from 9:30am until noon on Monday. The tracking indices have been changing this week; our account balances have remained constant all week. Monday's share price will indeed reflect the ups and down of this week. There will be no share prices posted for the 14th through the 17th, because they have not changed. They will change on Monday.

The problem? We didn't have the opportunity to trade on those ups and downs (deja vu; seems like we went thru this when the new system came online).

 

[cowboy]

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I agree with you Jwlane about the TSP since it is closed will not post until the 20th when it does transactions. In other words the 14th -17th will be missing but Im thinking that the market will open with the Friday close price. I don't believe that the TSP transactionson Monday are going to drive Mondays Market. I have kept track of the funds since the close on the13th. In accordance to my figures this is what I have the markets at on opening on Monday the 20th:

09/13/04 G FC S I

10.55 10.3011.93 12.91 13.43

09/20/04 10.55 10.2511.95 12.92 13.38

The G fund will most likely go up .01 on Monday if not, on Tuesday. The other funds if you watch the tickers that they follow will go up or down according to the market on Monday and TSP will post the close of Monday in relation to the fund it follows. If I'm wrong I guess I'm wrong but if you follow the tickers and say C orticker indexgoes up .54 then all I do is multiply the price of prior days close by 1.0054, That would put the price of C a $12.01 and if you make a transaction prior to 11:00 AM you will buy at $12.01 which they will show on the 21st as the close for the 20th. If the market would go down then the price per share would be $11.89. I don't know but this may seem confusing but what I'm showing you in the graph is what I believe the funds closed at today the 17th. I have not made any posts on the TSP till today but I have been doing my own research on what I have learned here. The (I fund) I could be off on because as Tom and others have stated the dollar affects it, so it could be slightly higher or lower then my estimate, the others I have been fairly accurate at. In accordance to my chart there is little change. I was following the chatter on TSP Talk and I find I trade maybe more then most. I am currently 100% G, when I make a move it's a 100% usually one way or another. My plan was before TSP closed, was just what Tom was saying he said that he thought themarkets might take a breather I had just made a nice percentage the prior week and stepped out to let the market drop my guess was this was going to happen Tuesday or Wednesday. It did it took the breather I was looking to take advantage of on Wednesday andthe S fund dropped $.10 in other words I think the price of S on Wednesday was $12.81 I would have bought in prior to 11:00 am andmight of sold today at$12.92 giving me a gain of$.12 a share. If you have 5000 shares that$600.00 a missed opportunity. The others that are stuck in the stock funds will have the close price onMonday and I'm sure some got nervous on Wednesday when the market droppedas we all do. But all looks fine at the moment, but maybe price go down on Monday. The best thing to do people ishave a system like Milkman and several others that you follow and try to take the emotion out of it.Everyone has their risk factor there willing to take.My theory is this, I try to watch the TSP funds and what there doingpure and simple. The rest of the marketschatter is garbage but can influence you. There is some I listen to and some I chuckle at and dune out. If your going to fool with your funds have a goal and know where the market is at. Right now if it stays consolidated its at the top in my opinion. Will I take a chance of it going higher? Maybe! There is no quicker learning experience then watching your funds go down. I'm no expert but I do feel that the next time the market goes bear I won't be there.

 

[Mike]

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The funny thing is the prices posted Monday are likely to be very close to what they were on the 13th because of what the market did (gained a little, then pulled back on Thursday, followed by gaining a bit today).

Now I suppose Monday will feature another slight pullback, putting us right back where we were.

 

[cowboy]

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Yep! Thats about it! It might go down Monday could go up too! If I had that crystal ball?mmmmm Maybe Tom will have a hint or two.

 

[Mike]

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I'm expecting a bit of a retreat / pause on Monday - some investors will likely see this up-tick as an opportunity to grab some profits. Hopefully, that'll be enough to scarethe sentiment furtherinto bear mode, then we can see another upward push. I've pretty much seen my losses vanish since June 30th, so I'm happy about that (although not happy with myself for staying put while the market wobbled back and forth for two months). If I had simply gone to G on July 1st rather than going to C & S, I would have made a killing. *sigh* Live and learn.

And yes, we have another hurricane to worry about (Jeanne)... most projected paths are parking that thing somewhere to the east of Florida in a few days. Another one is lurking further out, but that isn't expected to affect the US.