Five US Soldiers charged with murder

[Frixxxx]

I agree with James48843 that they have disgraced the uniform of MY ARMY.



I was in the Nam too for more than twelve years (before and after).:notrust:

Vietnamese Veteran (let see if you are able to figure out)

Southwest Asia Veteran

Welcome Home Brother!

Thank you for your service.......

 

[SWAVET]

Thanks Fri. and of course B.T. my friend.

 

[Buster]

NO, I'm not old enough to shave during the Nam.

I was just with EOD during the Operations Desert Shield/Desert Storm/Desert Sabre.

I have 21 yrs with the gov't & 20 more years I'm still not eligible to receive social security benefit.

I alway make the time and effort to THANK any Soldier young or old, gay or straight returning after giving of his/her honor to serve for me as I once did may years ago for others..

So Thanks for your selfless act of Americanism.

 

[Steadygain]

Jim you missed the point (again)..We don't need reminding of sh!t like this..

You and your kind are ruining the pride of this country enough..you need not to bask in anymore America Bashing...

Please forgive me - if my comments offend anyone - but I don't see how bringing the truth to light could be considered America Bashing.

In all due respect - perhaps much of our belief is so deeply grounded in disillusion - that we refuse to deal with 'reality'.

I couldn't agree more Buster, these few rotten apples, give the ugly to the ugly American and to constantly bask in such rotten behavior by a few Americans by Jim is nothing more than showing his outright hatred of America.

But he has his own little crowd of American haters

Does making known - what most want hidden - make a person against America?

Remember we werer all baby killers - but it means nothing. You can't understand unless you were there. Damn we killed a lot of Gooks.

Birch - it's not 'The Veterans' and their honor and integrity - and their willingness to 'sacrifice their lives' that is at question - and that could never be considered 'Troubling'

What is troubling are the details behind everything.

McNamara sends someone in early 1965 to come up with something really good -- something that be used in a very terribly 'delightful way'

It's time to wage a war.

The guy comes back with a report that 2 American operatives may have been 'tortured and killed'.

They find it 'GREAT'

WAR is waged - with some initial focused 'guaranteed plan'

Immedicately changes from 70,000 men in the Spring of 1965 to an open-ended WAR that will go on forever and ever

Meanwhile - McNamara gets fired in 1968 and goes to the World Bank. He could care less about Nam - which went on for 7 more years.

A lot of times it better 'Not to Know'

 

[Buster]

Please forgive me - if my comments offend anyone - but I don't see how bringing the truth to light could be considered America Bashing.

In all due respect - perhaps much of our belief is so deeply grounded in disillusion - that we refuse to deal with 'reality'.



Does making known - what most want hidden - make a person against America?

The point is I'M trying to make is;

If there is a news item of good fortune and blessings like for example, the 33 Miners rescued after 68 days of being entombed a half mile underground..or The Oil well in the gulf being capped and not drowning Key West in an oil slick like earlier hoped for, in contrast to, a news item of 5 crazy-ass soldiers on a drug induced killing spree or some other degradation of America or her society...Certain people seem to relish in reporting and expounding the negativity of the latter and ignoring the positivity of the former..That's the reality and this is not an isolated instance.


I can't help but to think of your therapy sessions at work..Tell me, is it good therapy to dwell on what is good about a person more, or to dwell on what is wrong with that person more?

 

[Steadygain]

I can't help but to think of your therapy sessions at work..Tell me, is it good therapy to dwell on what is good about a person more, or to dwell on what is wrong with that person more?

Buster, your question is very deeply humbling and overwhelmed me with a huge sense of 'hopelessness'.

The most important 'therapy' is taking the time to honestly listen to what is going on with their life and how they are feeling and how their relationships and circumstances truly are. It is only as we really understand 'the wrong' that we can make any effort to help them.

I started taking notes a few months back because so many people I see feel like I'm the ONLY ONE to give them the time they needed and only because of that was I able to make the changes they needed.

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My problem is I wholly believed we were essentially flawless and everything our Country represented - totally reflected the Pure and Good; was done with the deepest Integrity and Honor and we were always the good guys doing the right thing.

My dad was (is) a Marine and all I knew growing up was more of a 'military mindset' - that you don't dare question - and you don't hesitiate when you're told to do something.

Buster - I personally am having a very hard time dealing with all the things I did and I did them with a mindset that would put anyone 'locked away forever'. At that time I thought I was 'The Best of the Best' and in fact I was the very best. Was brought into a 'unit' no one is able to seek out to achieve - was 'invitation only' - they found you. So I went as far as you could go - tell me what you need and I will undoubtedly get it done.

I went straight from that life to college - thinkin' I could return to the Bible College guy I was before. That's how I met my wife and why she was so crucial to my existence. But I didn't know that the 'transformation' I had in the Service would be one that would forever change my life and keep me (and so many parts of me) in a 'unit' mentality.

I'm okay with who I am and I can't take back all the things I did and I totally did everything 'the very best cause' and the highest intentions.

What I'm not okay with - and why I so deeply detest the politicians and what they have done (Dem or Rep) administration after administration is kept 'The Truth' totally hidden so we only 'know and believe' a bunch of crap. The presidents have become increasingly powerful and Obama's ability to silence anyone (me included) - and censor everything has no limits.

I just wish the hell 'All AMERICANS' could honestly realize the extent by which the ones in control have 'intentionally' screwed our lives up and we could be the AMERICA we long to be - and all the more that Veterans fought to make happen.

Anyway - I agree Buster and I wish we did have more 'good' and 'wonderful' things to focus on and let better vibes flow out.

I'm more like CB - in that when I honestly see what's going on and I find the TRUTH and all the hidden facts --- it makes me so mad I can't help but want to say something.

But I rarely do - I ususally keep it to myself - somehow I just kind of snapped with thinkin' 'I'm anti-American'


sorrry man -- and Jim gave like 20 years or more


just kind of hit me wrong -- sorry all

 

[WorkFE]

I wish we did have more 'good' and 'wonderful' things to focus on and let better vibes flow out.

Step away from the Internet, TV, Radio and Newspaper and you will find way more "good' and 'wonderful' things to focus on".

Media only gets you for so many hours out of the day, competition for your attention is fierce. Shock an awe is attention grabbing so that's what they report.
I can remember when the weather report gave you the local forcast then they showed you how beautiful it was in Calf. or Fla.
Now they give you 1 minute local forcast and 10 minutes of death and destructive flooding in Pakistan. Gotcha leaning in your seat.

 

[Steadygain]

I went straight from that life to college - thinkin' I could return to the Bible College guy I was before. That's how I met my wife and why she was so crucial to my existence.l

Step away from the Internet, TV, Radio and Newspaper and you will find way more "good' and 'wonderful' things to focus on".

I think I've found more and more exactly what I need to get back to that 'ultimate life' I've longed to get back to.

My wife (was) and is - as pure and perfect as anyone could ever find. She has gone so far above what I even thought possible - and I was just looking for a good 'Christian' girl - who didn't cuss, smoke, or drink.

I got a lady that never even touched alcohol or tobacco - that never swore and that was thoroughly devoted to GOD and living for His Glory. Very personable - smart - delightful - with nothing but the greatest integrity that could probably be known. In almost every way there is nothing that compares to her -- even my Mom was 'jealous' in comparison and to beat her is like the closest thing to impossible I could imagine -- but she's right - my wife even tops her.

From the time I met her (at lunch is the school cafeteria) when it was just the 'freshmen' a few days after school started - I got more attached. Took all the same classes and carried her books and after a week or two most people thought we'd been 'close for years'.

So I made a lot of progress with her - very much 'chilled over time' and began to find more and more that life I'd wanted. She's also the best mother that ever lived to this day - and had the opportunity to stay home and give them all the attention and love and stimulation they could hope for. Our house has always been 'spotless' and she is like a god when it comes to cooking.

All 3 of my girls have immensely help me 'transform' into a more beautiful person and they have even gone beyond me (or my wife) in their ability to live for God and all the Life and Love that should be evidenced if GOD is really allowed to take control and direct their thoughts and actions.

So I honestly 'Believe' that everything I've largely needed to have the most fulfilled and deeply happy and contented LIFE is working out. My job is extremely rewarding and I'm very blessed to have the heart and mind I do have and all the more the ability to share it and help others.

My last girl will finish HS this year - and go to college next year - and that will provide the ultimate opportunity to allow the most important aspects of LIFE to be fulfilled and I have all the confidence in the world that I'll go beyond the Bible College days.

Thanks for your message - we can't shut it out (and I have no clue about the 5 charged with murder) - but we can most certainly get to a point where our lives are so 'rich' and 'full' that nothing else matters.

That's where I'm at - and the light is honestly there - I'm just now at a point where I can 'step out of the tunnel'

Well have a good night all --- and thanks for letting me back.

 

[Steadygain]

I didn't know that the 'transformation' I had in the Service would be one that would forever change my life

In many ways my time 'in' was beyond amazing and without it I never would have known the fullest extent by which you can fully devote your life. Never would have dreamed that 100% is just the beginning - and 200% is like very good - 300% is excellent and over 500% gets you to the top.

I will would never allow myself to honestly believe I am 'better' than anyone - no matter who he or she is - where they come from or anything else. Throughout my life I had always believed all of us are deeply 'the same' and we have the same abilities to make out of life and achieve whatever we want.

Well - that's NOT how the government sees it - and all the more the military. They know who stands out way before you even get a chance to prove it for yourself. As soon as I arrive in Boot Camp they tried to convince me to switch to 'Intelligence' - but I pictured some pansy ass sitting behind a desk - and said 'screw that I joined to be a soldier'.

Then they told me I'm officer material and were ready to take me to OCS (Officer's Canidate School) - and I couldn't picture them really doing the kick ass - front line stuff - so declined their offer.

When I went in Regular Army - anyone could join and quite a few had the choice to either go to prison or serve so many years. It was pretty much if you could hold a rifle you were in. So the group mentality is very boring and there is not much opportunity to push the limits and see what you're capable of doing. I had no clue about Special Forces and never could have imagined there were things going on all over the world - totally unrelated to War. Anyway - I told my platoon Sgt. I wanted more and I didn't want anyone else knowing because everyone else seemed perfectly content to just wear the uniform and do nothing. I have no clue who he talked to and where that info went but 'The Missions' started shortly after that.

I guess they have to start you off 'small' - to make sure you can handle it and not be an idiot. Maybe it was more my 'attitude' because I always made it look so easy and when I got back - I never let on to anyone about anything that happened. Always felt it was between me and them.

Once you get to SF the Missions are incredible and you find yourself doing things far beyond what you would ever have thought any 'one' person was capable to doing. Back then I had absolutely no clue how the brain worked but it's pretty amazing and they put you in situations where you learn to function way beyond 'normal'.

The brain is constantly running on numerous (and vastly diverse) levels at the same time ~ parallel universes. Usually everyone functions on the little pieces that get tossed off by each one to the 'conscious level'. They put you in situations where you have to go below that level and find and work from the wide variety distinct levels - so you're able to operate faster and better than the 'conscious state'. That's the transformation I'm talking about.

Basically the more you learn to 'maximize' this potiential the more ADD or ADHD you become - but unlike ADD (ADHD) your focus is immensely enhanced.

Well my wife explores 'unlimited' possibilites when trying to pin point exactly who I am and how my brain works. So about this time last year I went to Chicago to have a Neuropsychological Evaluation which started in the early morning and finished late in the afternoon. They have hundreds of different tests that show the extent by which you can 'process things' and test your memory - intelligence - and gather abstract elements and piece them together and a bunch more. Every little part of your brain can be evaluated to a high extent.

My 'tester' offered a lot of breaks here and there and I declined them and did as many tests as I could get him to give in the 10 hours I was able to squeeze out of him.

Well fortunately they said my results were the max and in particular my executive functioning - the speed and accuracy by which I processed things and executed the 'appropriate decision - or action'. It turns out I have continued to fucntion at a more 'subconscious level' using a wide varity of parallel functions. I'm pleased to report my brain is in the top 3% worldwide - so I'm grateful for that.

So I started taking 'Stimulant Therapy' - (speed) - this year and was totally blown away at how much that has allowed me to return closer to 'normal'. Functioning on the subconscious levels wears you out by the end of the day - makes it a lot harder to have an active (engaging) home life. So I'm really glad for all the ways things are getting better.