Diesel Cars

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine
Diesel engines are a type of internal combustion engine. Rudolf Diesel originally designed the diesel engine to use coal dust as a fuel. He also experimented with various oils, including some vegetable oils,[1] such as peanut oil, which was used to power the engines which he exhibited at the 1900 Paris Exposition and the 1911 World's Fair in Paris.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel


FYI:
Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel is the primary
highway diesel fuel produced.
http://www.clean-diesel.org/highway.html
 
Will Diesel Save the World?The environmental trade-offs of giving up gasoline.

By Brendan I. Koerner
Tuesday, April 1, 2008, at 8:04 AM ET

I recently returned from an extended stay in Europe, where most new cars run on diesel. Those cars are typically a lot more fuel-efficient than our gas guzzlers, which makes me wonder why there aren't more diesels on American roads. I know that diesel has a reputation for causing dirtier tailpipe emissions than petrol, but isn't that a bygone problem?

Technological wizardry has, indeed, made diesel-powered vehicles vastly cleaner than in olden days. As a result, lots of gearheads are touting diesels as finally safe enough for American motorists, who will dig the cars' impressive fuel-economy numbers. There's considerable excitement on these shores, for example, over the impending arrival of the 2009 Volkswagen Jetta TDi, a "clean diesel" vehicle that purportedly gets 50 miles per gallon on the highway yet spews out far less soot than the diesels of yore, which wreaked havoc on air quality. So will the erstwhile environmental boogeyman of diesel fuel end up saving us all? The Lantern is still far from convinced.

Diesel, named after German engineer Rudolf Diesel, has traditionally been simpler to refine than gasoline, although making it also requires more crude oil per gallon. The end result is a fuel that boasts much greater energy density than gasoline, which explains why diesel cars get up to 40 percent more miles per gallon than their petrol counterparts. The higher energy density also means that burning a gallon of diesel emits more greenhouse gases than burning a gallon of gasoline—about 15 percent more, to be specific. But due to the appreciable fuel-economy savings, diesel cars usually emit less of these gases per mile driven.

There's a more disturbing difference between diesel and gasoline: Burning diesel also emits nasty particulates and smog-forming nitrogen oxides, as should be apparent to anyone who's ever gotten a mouthful of bus or tractor exhaust.

The good news is that today's diesel contains significantly less sulfur than in years past, resulting in much less harmful soot. On top of that, new diesel cars are outfitted with ingenious emissions-control systems such as BlueTec, which treats exhaust with a urea-based solution to reduce its toxicity.

But these improvements have come with costs. According to the Union of Concerned Scientists (PDF), manufacturing a gallon of the new, low-sulfur diesel requires even more crude oil than the old diesel. Also, diesel engines are more complicated than petrol engines and thus require more energy and materials to manufacture.

Still, a diesel car's improved fuel economy can offset these drawbacks. The UCS recommends that car shoppers revise a diesel vehicle's miles-per-gallon rating downward by 20 percent in order to get a more accurate picture of the overall impact on oil consumption.

Fans of the forthcoming Jetta TDi point out that the car's tailpipe emissions are clean enough to pass muster in California, a state with exceptionally tough emissions regulations. Yet the diesel TDi still lags behind many other vehicles that meet California's stringent requirements, including the gas-powered 2008 Jetta, which qualifies as a partial zero-emissions vehicle.

The relative dirtiness of even the most advanced diesels worries some researchers, who argue that the resulting soot (which they term "black carbon") may be a key factor in global warming. According to a 2002 Stanford University study, even if all diesels were designed to meet California's emissions standards, diesel cars could still warm the globe more than petrol cars over the next half-century.

None of this is to imply that gasoline is necessarily more eco-friendly than diesel—the two fuels just have different pluses and minuses. European regulators seem to care more about reducing the continent's greenhouse-gas emissions than its particulate emissions and so have favored policies that prop up diesel. As you probably learned during your foreign sojourn, diesel is cheaper than petrol in virtually all of Europe, largely due to its being more lightly taxed (though maybe not for long). The opposite is true here in the United States, where diesel tends to cost significantly more than regular gasoline—in part because our new, low-sulfur diesel is more expensive to manufacture, but also because of a higher federal per-gallon tax.

The wild card here is the ongoing development of biodiesel, which can drastically reduce a diesel vehicle's tailpipe emissions. Perhaps more importantly, it can also be made from domestic crops: In the United States, the chief source is soybeans, while Europeans prefer canola.
To calculate the environmental benefit of biodiesel is a complex task and one the Lantern hopes to accomplish in an upcoming column. Simply put, though, not all biodiesels are created equal: Some may require too much production energy and arable land to justify the effort from an environmental standpoint.

We can hope that a number of well-done life-cycle analyses of biodiesel are in the works, so we'll soon know whether Malaysian palm is the future. In the meantime, though, the Lantern looks forward to test-driving the 2009 Jetta TDi—not only because it's supposedly a great ride but also to determine whether Volkswagen is telling the truth about those fuel economy figures. After all, wasn't the Toyota Prius supposed to get 60 miles per gallon in the city? The Lantern's alter ego could barely get more than 50.

http://www.slate.com/id/2187806/
 
I cannot understand for the life of me why, why, why no one will sell small diesel engined vehicles in the USA. Every country in the world has small fuel efficient diesel cars and trucks available running all over the place yet in America only VW sells these small cars. Whats with that? I have heard all the excuses (Americans don't like diesels ( too loud, too smokey, too slow, etc) California pollution rules, nobody will buy them, yada, yada, yada) A few years ago several car companies (Honda, Mazda, Mahindra, Nissan, etc) announced plans to bring their small diesel cars to us, even Ford and GM ( who strangely make them but refuse to sell them here ) . But now they have all crawfished and once again we have no option but to watch in amazement while the rest of the world drives around in their 50 -70 MPG diesel vehicles and all we can get is 20-40 MPG hybrids. There has to be some sort of government involvement in not allowing us to even have a choice in the matter. It seems everytime there is a chance we might get a small diesel car some evironmental rule is changed to prevent them from being brought here. I would just like to know what is it about small fuel effiencent, long lasting, powerful diesel vehicles that we can't have them!!!! :mad:

The 65 mpg Ford the U.S. Can't Have


http://www.businessweek.com/magazin..._autos+--+lifestyle+subindex+page_top+stories


GOOD POST..

Contrary to popular belief..Diesels are actually cleaner than Gasoline engines when compared to lighter than air emissions..beyond that, it is merely a matter of personal opinion why diesels stink and that you can see trucks smoke...Most diesels made today for automotive use (not 18 wheelers) are quiet and clean and very very efficient..I believe there is more of a conspiracy within the auto market and oil companies to keep modern diesel engines out of US made cars....A friend of mine at work has a VW bug diesel and it gets around town 40 MPG..poor guy has to fill up every 3 to 4 weeks..Another car I saw today was a VW Jetta diesel..it had a bumper sticker; "45MPG and no batteries needed"..I thought that was soooo righteous.....Anyway, The US standard for Diesel fuel has finally in the last couple of years, make it to the LOW sulphur diesel criteria, that is more eco-friendly..That was some of the excuses that EURO made cars won't come to the US..because they couldn't burn our diesel well..but now they can..

But think about it..if you were a greedy ass oil company and everyone in the US was driving modern fuel efficient diesels, they wouldn't sell nearly as much as they would sell gasoline..so hell no!..I wouldn't want diesels on the road either.

http://www.autospies.com/news/New-Diesel-Volkswagen-Polo-cleaner-than-a-Toyota-Prius-11000/


http://gas2.org/2007/12/17/50-mpg-and-cleaner-than-gasoline-where-are-the-clean-diesels/
 
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Diesel has generally been a "dirtier" fuel than gasoline, and emits more pollutants into the air. I'm not just talking about the unsightly and noxious black fumes and stink coming out of the tailpipes of yesteryears diesel engines. Even the newest models of diesel engines are still dirtier than comparable gasoline engines.

In the U.S. diesel fuel has usually been more expensive, and harder to find, especially on the East Coast.

Having lived in Europe, and driven many diesel cars, I can attest that I'll take gasoline over diesel any day. While it is true that diesel engines have a little more pep off the line, and generally get better gas mileage, the added cost of the diesel technology requires a few years at best to recoup through savings at the pump.

The stench of diesel alone is enough to make you shun it...Nothing like getting stuck behind some diesel jalopy belching out near fatal amounts of billowing black smoke...

And no matter how much the Europeans make themselves out to be holier-than-thou in regards to their love of diesels and their championing of environmental causes, they are following the path that Americans blazed over the past few decades. They are buying more and more larger vehicles, even the - GASP! - the dreaded SUV!!! Like the rest of the developing world, they're eating up more and more energy resources through increased use of electronic gadgets and having more than one car per household. The rest of the world is catching up...

The U.S. refining infrastructure is reverse to the Euros. We're positioned for gasoline, while the Euros are all set up for diesel.

And don't get me started about manual versus automatic transmissions. For the life of me I cannot understand the Euros and their absolute LOVE of stick shifts. Manual is great in a Porsche - not so much in a regular family hauler.
 
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It may be just because its an agriculture area but almost every station in my area carries diesel and the price is about equal with premium or sometimes even regular at this point in time. Of course last summer was a different story as it was almost a dollar more. It just seems that some unseen force doesn't want diesel cars in this country. Mexico has them, Canada has them. Every other country in the world has them, why not us?:confused: Would this not help reduce the need for foreign oil?
 

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I cannot understand for the life of me why, why, why no one will sell small diesel engined vehicles in the USA. Every country in the world has small fuel efficient diesel cars and trucks available running all over the place yet in America only VW sells these small cars. Whats with that? I have heard all the excuses (Americans don't like diesels ( too loud, too smokey, too slow, etc) California pollution rules, nobody will buy them, yada, yada, yada) A few years ago several car companies (Honda, Mazda, Mahindra, Nissan, etc) announced plans to bring their small diesel cars to us, even Ford and GM ( who strangely make them but refuse to sell them here ) . But now they have all crawfished and once again we have no option but to watch in amazement while the rest of the world drives around in their 50 -70 MPG diesel vehicles and all we can get is 20-40 MPG hybrids. There has to be some sort of government involvement in not allowing us to even have a choice in the matter. It seems everytime there is a chance we might get a small diesel car some evironmental rule is changed to prevent them from being brought here. I would just like to know what is it about small fuel effiencent, long lasting, powerful diesel vehicles that we can't have them!!!! :mad:

The 65 mpg Ford the U.S. Can't Have


http://www.businessweek.com/magazin..._autos+--+lifestyle+subindex+page_top+stories
 
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