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My Daughter's most recent Blog - about her time in Mozambique

In terms of people, stories, and experiences, there are some which were especially significant that I’d like to share with you.Always at the front of my mind is Elita.

It’s funny, her name comes from the word “elite,” which comes from the French word “eliré,” meaning “to choose” (I just checked it out on a hunch). She couldn’t have been farther from elite, but she definitely was chosen.

I met her on my second trip to pray at the hospital…“I entered the room full of women sitting in their beds and was immediately drawn to one of them, a woman who looked to be in her mid-thirties and had her hair up in beautiful corn rows swirled around her head. But it was her eyes that caught my attention. So sorrowful and resigned, like she’d given up and couldn’t bear to be disappointed by hope even one more time. Despair and stoicism were etched in her eyes and I went over to pray with her, Courtney following soon after. Her name was Elita, she had three boys at home, her husband had died, and she herself had already been in the hospital for five months and was dying of AIDS. I had already been given a huge compassion for her, and when I heard she had AIDS my heart broke completely.

I began crying and praying like I have never prayed in my life. Soon I was weeping uncontrollably like it wasn’t even me but the Spirit of God over me and I cried out to God for peace and healing for beautiful Elita. I wept as if she were my own blood sister. I prayed by the blood of Jesus, blood so clean it can cleanse us from the inside out, something that especially hit me as I thought of her own blood which was her death sentence. I sang and wept and prayed some more. And when we finished, I followed Courtney in embracing her and saying what I too had felt so strongly, that she was my sister. My sister. And I kissed her head where before I had loving stroked her hair.

She also cried as we prayed and it was evident that she’d been deeply touched by our heartfelt care for her. She asked what church we were from and said she’d visit it if and when she was well enough to leave the hospital. A couple times she had to turn and spit up into a bucket that also apparently served as a toilet, as the smell was so atrocious you couldn’t breathe out of your nose for a second. But it wasn’t even an issue when I was praying as I didn’t have any distractions at all then. We promised her we’d continue praying for her, and she was so appreciative and obviously blessed by what had transpired there.

Oh, but my heart was broken and has still not recovered. . . “I think God was preparing my heart and mind before I went in the women’s room because as I sat on the bench waiting to go in, I found myself asking the “Why?” question. Why is there such suffering? Why do babies get cancer? (We were on the oncology floor.) And my heart was stirred with compassion for hurting people and I wanted to provide them with prayers and with a heart that would give them space to ask those questions, space to lament, space to be COMFORTED. . .

Praying with Elita opened my heart and connected it with another’s and with the Spirit in a way that’s never happened before.” From just moments afterward until now, I have been reflecting on that experience. I remember sitting down right after I prayed with Elita and feeling physically and emotionally exhausted.

It was the first time I experienced prayer as hard work. But what a satisfying and glorious feeling it was! I want to live from that place more and more. So that’s the story of when my heart broke, which accomplished one of my hopes for the trip, which was that my heart would be broken with the things that break the heart of God.

Now I know—not just in my head but with my heart—that God’s heart breaks for AIDS patients, for those who are lonely, for those in despair, for those who feel hopeless, for those who endure with misery and stoicism the burdens Christ already died to take from them. And so you see, Elita was far from elite. But she was definitely chosen, for God was thinking specifically of her when he led two young women from opposite sides of the world to fly to Mozambique, sign up for hospital ministry on a certain Sunday afternoon, visit her room, and gravitate to her bedside where God had planned all along to love her through their prayers, tears, affection, and compassion which all came from Him.

How deep the Father’s love for us!
 
Without reading the first post -- and getting a glimpse of my daughter's heart -- it's harder to see what I'm saying here.

I'm simply writting the reflections that wouldn't let me go back to sleep this moring -- in fact I got more and more alert .. pondered.

With the work I do -- it is very common for people that meet me to express their genuine desire to DIE -- to be put to DEATH. If the bathroom door in my office lead to immediate death and I genuinely offered to take their hand and guide them through ~ I can assure you that half or more of all I see would be thrilled for that opportunity.

The reason being -- usually by the time they get to me their lives have long been shattered and empty -- all traces of hope have disappeared and the energy and drive has vanished. They often are at the bottom with no money -- no support -- no friends -- no love or encouragement.

This is why the 'Death Penality' is such a sensitive issue with me. I have met thousands of people like I've described here -- some hearing voices that they can't escape; some with anxiety and panic attacks; some too paranoid to function; some with hallucinations and delustions; some with uncontrolable violent moods; and the list goes on and on. Many are just like you or me -- but circumstances they've endured (often beyond their control) brought them to where they are.

My job is always to find the Priceless Life within -- and bring it to Life and let the TRUE Beautiful person emerge and take over. If I had not experienced this 'Transition' with them -- and been an instrumental part of it -- I may feel different. BUT -- Fortunately -- a good 95% have such a Huge Recovery -- and when they honestly begin to experience REAL LIFE -- it's so wonderful -- they never want it to end. They find what they were --- and how they have lived for years and years -- was honestly beyond their control. There were 'faulty channels and circuits' -- cells that malfunctioned or became somehow mutated or ineffective -- but somehow we were able to largely adjust the imbalance and provide the counseling to let them achieve their potiential and really enjoy and rejoice in who and what they are.

So I know there are a lot of really 'Bad' or 'Dangerous People' that society can not afford to let run loose -- without some major changes. From my perspective it should start with The Brain and if there are changes that can make them 'Good' and 'Acceptable' then I would have to favor that over being caged for years and years -- or killing them for something that in reality was probably beyond their control.

So ---- that ends another reflective thought ....
 
Sorry folks, I had to bring this back up. I will say this as plainly as possible. The son of a bitch that did this deserves to be tortured to death. He should be subjected to every form of torture known to man, and I can probably think of a few that would be too gruesome for even a Saw movie.

I know vengeance and judgement is God's right, but I can't help wanting to be the one to end this monster's life!
 
Sorry folks, I had to bring this back up. I will say this as plainly as possible. The son of a bitch that did this deserves to be tortured to death. He should be subjected to every form of torture known to man, and I can probably think of a few that would be too gruesome for even a Saw movie.

I know vengeance and judgement is God's right, but I can't help wanting to be the one to end this monster's life!


Awe Man, that really bums me out..I didn't hear this latest yet till just now..Damn Right Viva.. I'm very much in favor vigilantism in cases like this...The LAW would be too easy for him:mad:...I mean, don't we shoot mad dogs?
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/chelsea-king-case-watching-sex-offenders-9985654
 
Sorry folks, I had to bring this back up. I will say this as plainly as possible. The son of a bitch that did this deserves to be tortured to death. He should be subjected to every form of torture known to man, and I can probably think of a few that would be too gruesome for even a Saw movie.

I know vengeance and judgement is God's right, but I can't help wanting to be the one to end this monster's life!

Oh man,

I was afraid this would be the outcome. I agree with ya Viva all the way and he's probably a know perv and has a record as long as my arm. :mad:
 
In order to have human rights you must first be human. Take him out to the ally, put him on his knee's and end it. :mad:
 
When someone steals, infringes or otherwise co-ops anyone's constitutional rights, they turn in all their rights and justice should be swift and final, to the max.
 
Sorry folks, I had to bring this back up. I will say this as plainly as possible. The son of a bitch that did this deserves to be tortured to death. He should be subjected to every form of torture known to man, and I can probably think of a few that would be too gruesome for even a Saw movie.

I know vengeance and judgement is God's right, but I can't help wanting to be the one to end this monster's life!

Viva La Migra -- I'm honored you brought this up here. :)

Don't be sorry for being human -- for being a man that has integrity -- for believing that LIFE itself has a 'sacretness', a value and quality that can not be measured by any standard -- for it is priceless.

Nor should you be sorry -- that some things deeply trouble you and in fact 'anger' you -- especially those things that 'violate' LIFE itself.

We are a lot alike my friend -- and I could confidently say that CB, Buster, Birch, Show-me and others deeply share many of the traits that make us -- who and what we are.

With events like this I too was often overwhelmed with anger and wanting to personally instill the revenge. With my history this was all the more VERY DIFFICULT because that was the highest role the Government gave me -- so all the more I took great pride in fulfilling my calling -- and honestly felt I did a huge service for the world at large.

But -- now it was personal -- and not a random task assigned. So I went to my pastor and told him what I was dealing with. Pretty much told him exactly what you're saying. He said he understood and said there is only one way he knows how to deal with it. He pointed to 'The Cross' and asked me -- did HE die for that Specific Sin.

As much as I wanted to say NO !! -- I couldn't -- I had to say YES

Leave it there and let it go.

I love you man -- thanks for sharing.
 
This is why we have laws. The result is often imperfect, all too often. But, the alternative is anarchy or rather, the law of the jungle. We are spared the horrendous price and effect of blood vengeance and tribal rule. None of us here would like to live under the protection of warlords.

Vigilante Justice is often wrong and mistaken, and quickly corrupted. What may at one moment assuage our grief and anger ultimately will erode our character and conscience. We should not let the standard of our civil society be established by the lowest common denominator, the evil perpetrator who has done this wicked thing.

However, we can do more besides simple incarceration. We can render an individual harmless through medical surgical techniques, and then medicate for the side effects. This prospect may in itself serve as a deterrent. We can do this pharmaceutically now with Depo Provera (Medroxyprogesterone).

A combination of incarceration, surgery and chemistry (all after a single offense) would drastically and permanently render these individuals inert and harmless, and away from the public.

Not perfect, but a helluva start.
 
A good movie (IMO) to watch is Called; "Law Abiding Citizen" out on DVD now..It sums up a lot of the way we feel about circumstances like what has happened to this poor little girl Chelsea and how a grieving father reacts..But the movie ends tragically for everyone..makes you think...:(




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Vigilante Justice is often wrong and mistaken, and quickly corrupted. What may at one moment assuage our grief and anger ultimately will erode our character and conscience.

Well in keeping with the 'character' of this thread -- that largely depends on where our 'Character and Conscience' is GROUNDED.

All the more I'd say look at the first post. ;)

We should not let the standard of our civil society be established by the lowest common denominator, the evil perpetrator who has done this wicked thing.

Very true

However, we can do more besides simple incarceration. We can render an individual harmless through medical surgical techniques, and then medicate for the side effects. This prospect may in itself serve as a deterrent. We can do this pharmaceutically now with Depo Provera (Medroxyprogesterone).

A combination of incarceration, surgery and chemistry (all after a single offense) would drastically and permanently render these individuals inert and harmless, and away from the public.

Not perfect, but a helluva start.

We are light years beyond Depo Provera -- but Society itself has no clue. We could easily render the individual harmless -- and all the more specifically erase the channels responsible for this type of crime and all the moods associated with it. Totally knock out the sex drive and leave everything else intact.

No wasted tax dollars in Prison -- No wasted dollars with Medications and monitoring for side effects ....

If fact ... we have long had the ability to test the effects of pharmaceuticals ... without using 'animals'

BUT THE SYSTEM -- FEEDS UPON ITSELF -- TO KEEP IT GOING :rolleyes::(
 
A very sad ending to this missing person case too. Probably the same suspect as the one in Chelsea King's murder. Rest in peace Amber.
 
A very sad ending to this missing person case too. Probably the same suspect as the one in Chelsea King's murder. Rest in peace Amber.

In this setting I know it's a very horrible world for millions and millions around the world.

I know that deep down Chelsea or Amber are no better than the millions of children who are forced to beg and work as slaves for their survival. Nor were either one more deserving of the love and compassion that Sarah gave to the dying woman in the first post.

I know the abuse that millions and millions face is WRONG -- it's always wrong and the NEGLECT and the Suffering is always wrong.

Yet when we mistreat someone because they express a view we resent ... because they are 'different' in some manner ... because we are too caloused and 'unconcerned' to extend ourselves ... then in some ways we are just as bad as whoever we want to isolate ... and compare ourselves to.

The CD I'm listening to is one I bought at an open Market in a town next to Lake Superior.

Quilla: THE INDIAN SOUL native american music

Richard Maldonado 'QUILLA' -- his second solo CD

QUILLA: Native expression that means Patience, Moon, Canoe, Realization of the most beautiful melodies with a message of tenderness, strength, and hope; Energies of the 'Pacha Mama' (mother earth), Vital element for the strengthening of the spiritual and physical being.

The objective of this work is to bring peace to the world by creating new melodies generated by the union and harmony that transends the boundries of human relations.

He plays the 'Native Flute' ---

It's something I wish everyone had the opportunity to hear -- really hear and enjoy in a peaceful and comfortable environment.

Something I wish Lady could hear as she's floating in water -- getting aqua therapy threatment. So until death falls on whoever it falls -- all of us should strive to make LIFE better.
 
In this setting I know it's a very horrible world for millions and millions around the world.

I know that deep down Chelsea or Amber are no better than the millions of children who are forced to beg and work as slaves for their survival. Nor were either one more deserving of the love and compassion that Sarah gave to the dying woman in the first post.

I know the abuse that millions and millions face is WRONG -- it's always wrong and the NEGLECT and the Suffering is always wrong.

Yet when we mistreat someone because they express a view we resent ... because they are 'different' in some manner ... because we are too caloused and 'unconcerned' to extend ourselves ... then in some ways we are just as bad as whoever we want to isolate ... and compare ourselves to.

The CD I'm listening to is one I bought at an open Market in a town next to Lake Superior.

Quilla: THE INDIAN SOUL native american music

Richard Maldonado 'QUILLA' -- his second solo CD

QUILLA: Native expression that means Patience, Moon, Canoe, Realization of the most beautiful melodies with a message of tenderness, strength, and hope; Energies of the 'Pacha Mama' (mother earth), Vital element for the strengthening of the spiritual and physical being.

The objective of this work is to bring peace to the world by creating new melodies generated by the union and harmony that transends the boundries of human relations.

He plays the 'Native Flute' ---

It's something I wish everyone had the opportunity to hear -- really hear and enjoy in a peaceful and comfortable environment.

Something I wish Lady could hear as she's floating in water -- getting aqua therapy threatment. So until death falls on whoever it falls -- all of us should strive to make LIFE better.

Amen and Selah ;)
 
Amen and Selah ;)

Thank you my friend !! :)

It's amazing the incredible peace I had last night and how right it felt. I'm sure everyone of us initially came strictly for the TSP and never remotely imagined the relationships that would transpire.

There are times in my life where I wish I could 'freeze' time and leave things exactly as they are. This is the first time I've felt this way as deeply as I have about this place. Everyone that is dear to me sounds like they are doing great !! and LIFE is good -- it's very good. Squale is back to his old self and I have no worries. If there was one thing I could even in the slightest way change it would be feeling like things are better with Sugar -- but I learned you simply can not control or 'fix' anything -- all you can do is love and appreciate those you encounter and accept whatever happens.

Well anyway - this truely is a moment I don't want to ever end. It's the best ending possible. My love and gratitude to all -- take care.

Steady
 
John Albert Gardner pled guilty to raping and murdering Chelsea King and Amber Dubois today, in a plea agreement that took the death penalty off the table. He'll get life in prison without parole.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/1...-sex-offender-leads-authorities-missing-girl/


This is what he should get...no "ifs", "ands", or "buts":mad:

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