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TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's military said on Sunday it had shot down a U.S. reconnaissance drone aircraft in eastern Iran, a military source told state television.
"Iran's military has downed an intruding RQ-170 American drone in eastern Iran," Iran's Arabic-language Al Alam state television network quoted the unnamed source as saying.
"The spy drone, which has been downed with little damage, was seized by the Iranian armed forces."
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More:


http://news.yahoo.com/iran-military-shoots-down-u-drone-state-tv-142804389.html
 
Today, the US says .....one of it's drones is "missing".


Hmmm......

The U.S.-led International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan appeared to confirm that a drone had crashed in eastern Iran, saying that the aircraft Iranian media were referring to "may be a U.S. unarmed reconnaissance aircraft" that had been sent on a mission over western Afghanistan late last week and been lost.
"The operators of the (drone) lost control of the aircraft," said a statement from coalition forces in Kabul.
A U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said there was "absolutely no indication" that the drone was shot down.
Pentagon officials had no immediate comment. Iran has previously announced that it shot down U.S. and Israeli drones in incidents that didn't lead to a significant response.
The drone was an American-built RQ-170 Sentinel, equipped with stealth technology, that had crossed into Iranian airspace from Afghanistan, an Iranian military official told IRNA.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/04/MNNQ1M88CH.DTL#ixzz1fffTOlWt ​
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So....you think the control radio signals ought to be encrypted on that model drone? You think that would be a good idea?

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Interesting. Drone goes missing and is reportedly shot down in inappropriate airspace. Drone operators: Sorry, we lost control over it.

Not saying it isn't a valid excuse but it sure is a convenient excuse for any reconnaissance drone operator.
 
Read between the lines- and it is a far more interesting story. It wasn't "shot down". It appears that the Iranians used their radio signals to intercept the drone, and then steer it to their own airport. The only thing the Iranians couldn't figure out, is the signal to lower the landing gear. So they ended up radio controlling it to a gear up landing. They simply studied the radio signature until they understood the frequencies, and the commands, then built their own controller, and took over.

Again- you would think that we would encrypt the radio controller signals, wouldn't you?

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Hmmmm.......

Well, there goes a few millions.

Anybody know a Northrup Grumman price tag for an RQ-170?

Anybody?

Bueller?
 
James48843 said:
Again- you would think that we would encrypt the radio controller signals, wouldn't you?

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Hmmmm.......

Well, there goes a few millions.

Anybody know a Northrup Grumman price tag for an RQ-170?

Anybody?

Bueller?
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Yep, that would be logical.

And I was just saying that the use of remote controlled drones in general makes for an interesting situation when it comes to violating airspace boundaries.

Realistically a drone could be programmed to override any control that take it out of appropriate airspace...but it's hard to get good surveillance when actually respecting airspace.
 
FireWeatherMet said:
Thats a lot of money to spend on recon toys when we have advanced satellites already in place...seems a waste from a cost/benefit ratio.
But I'm sure the private contracting companies love this "fleecing" of taxpayer money.
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If you worked in Intelligence you would not say that... but I guess it is in line with your politics.
 
It's not operated by Defense. Word is that it is (or was) operated by Lockheed Martin, under contract to CIA.


Not that CIA would be doing anything like that. (cough cough).

But I still don't know how much it cost, or if the government paid for it, or Lockheed paid for it. And if Lockheed paid for it, will the U.S. government pay off Lockheed for their incompetence which allowed Iran to come and take over the controls and fly it away because thee signals were un-encrypted.

How much?
 
I thought I heard someone on TV say these drones cost about $6 million, but I could be wrong.
 
Buster said:
If that's the case..then they should of had a built in self-destruct when out of control....Amazing
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It does have self destruct as well as return to base technology. However what you might not have heard is that it was not shot down, it was hacked into by the Iranian cyberwarfare unit and then they landed it (it is suspected that the iranians had help from Russian counterparts, or at least got the hacking tools needed for the job from the ruskies). Also the U.S has confirmed it was flying over Iranian airspace on a surveillance mission when it was "lost". I have also read online that Russian and Chinese experts are already on the ground negotiating for it and that Irans price is very high, supposedly they want advanced nuclear technology, centrifugal technology,solid fuel rocket technology,and they want the advanced surface to air missiles from Russia. Here's is a portion of the article with a link to the full article.

"Iran Bargains with China & Russia for Captured Drone: Wants Advanced Nuclear Technology & S300 Air Defense System.

Iran is driving a hard bargain for granting access to the US stealth drone RQ-170 it captured undamaged last week, as Russian and Chinese military intelligenceteamsarriving in Tehran for a look at the secret aircraft soon found.

Moscow sources disclose that the price set by Revolutionary Guards commanderGen. Ali Jaafari includes advanced nuclear and missile technology, especially systems using solid fuel, thelast word on centrifuges for enriching uranium and the S-300PMU-1 air defense system, which Moscow has consistently refused to sell Tehran.

Thissuper-weapon is effectiveagainststealth warplanesand cruisemissilesand therefore capable of seriously impairing any large-scale US or Israeli air or missile attacks on Iran's nuclear sites."

http://www.debka.com/article/21560/
 
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Afishegg said:
It does have self destruct as well as return to base technology. However what you might not have heard is that it was not shot down, it was hacked into by the Iranian cyberwarfare unit and then they landed it (it is suspected that the iranians had help from Russian counterparts, or at least got the hacking tools needed for the job from the ruskies). Also the U.S has confirmed it was flying over Iranian airspace on a surveillance mission when it was "lost". I have also read online that Russian and Chinese experts are already on the ground negotiating for it and that Irans price is very high, supposedly they want advanced nuclear technology, centrifugal technology,solid fuel rocket technology,and they want the advanced surface to air missiles from Russia. Here's is a portion of the article with a link to the full article.

"Iran Bargains with China & Russia for Captured Drone: Wants Advanced Nuclear Technology & S300 Air Defense System.

Iran is driving a hard bargain for granting access to the US stealth drone RQ-170 it captured undamaged last week, as Russian and Chinese military intelligenceteamsarriving in Tehran for a look at the secret aircraft soon found.

Moscow sources disclose that the price set by Revolutionary Guards commanderGen. Ali Jaafari includes advanced nuclear and missile technology, especially systems using solid fuel, thelast word on centrifuges for enriching uranium and the S-300PMU-1 air defense system, which Moscow has consistently refused to sell Tehran.

Thissuper-weapon is effectiveagainststealth warplanesand cruisemissilesand therefore capable of seriously impairing any large-scale US or Israeli air or missile attacks on Iran's nuclear sites."

http://www.debka.com/article/21560/
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Have you heard of a trojan horse?

Afishegg, This whole thing looks fishy (pardon the pun). I may have missed it but I do not think we admitted to intentionally flying over Iran. I read that this particular model didn't have a self destruct (but that was coming from the CIA). If in fact they did hack into the system they did a pretty good job flying the drone. Why couldn't we tell that the system was being hacked? Finally, everything they are asking for to view the drone sure goes against Iran saying that their nuclear research is not for a bomb.
 
nasa1974 said:
Have you heard of a trojan horse?

Afishegg, This whole thing looks fishy (pardon the pun). I may have missed it but I do not think we admitted to intentionally flying over Iran. I read that this particular model didn't have a self destruct (but that was coming from the CIA). If in fact they did hack into the system they did a pretty good job flying the drone. Why couldn't we tell that the system was being hacked? Finally, everything they are asking for to view the drone sure goes against Iran saying that their nuclear research is not for a bomb.
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Yeah I wholeheartedly agree with that. It seems to me Iran is showing their true intentions with these negotiations, asking for everything needed for their sinister purposes and the s300 system to repeal an attack, this whole thing will make Iran,Russia and China look like the dirty 3 amigos that they are. I just hope we come out and go haha we did that on purpose and you suckers fell for it and now look at all this evidence WE now have against all 3 of you! Then they should kick Russia and China out of the NATO security council!

However, after further thought, knowing our military and intelligence failures of the past, and my knowledge of how dumb some in the higher ranks of government can be I'm leaning more toward the "catastrophic failure" scenario.
 
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Cheney was quoted as saying he wished the President had ordered an airstrike to destroy the drone. Talk about wishful thinking.
 
Load the next drone with infected fleas - that could wipe out half the Revolutionary Guards.
 
Holder would quash that. Unless he was on his way out and saw a class action suit possible.
 
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