Big Charts

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For those of you who enjoy gazingat the charts of the funds butfind the Yahoo charts a bit too small and inflexibleto read, you could use Big Charts (bigcharts.com). It allows you to look at time periods as long as decades or as short as minutes within a day. It also allows you to compare charts or to add your own technical indicators (e.g. moving avg, bollinger, et.al.)

The symbols are as follows:

C fund = SPX

S fund = 95899W10

F fund = AGG

I fund = EFA
 
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Thanks Saraho, pretty cool.

Also, if you register (for free) at cbsmarketwatch.com as an "Advanced" user (whatever that means because I don't consider myself advanced) you can throw up some pretty cool charts. I use:

VFINX (vanguard index 500) for the C fund

VEXMX (vanguard extended market) for the S fund

I haven't found one for the I fund, so thanks for the tip.

Does big charts allow you to put up indicators like Parabolic SAR or MI, etc, etc against the chart? Thanks in advance.

Joel
 
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Yes, Joel.

Pick Interactive Charting...then click on Indicators (overat the left). You will see

MA Envelopes
Bollinger Bands
Parabolic SAR
Volume by Price
Price Channel
Show Splits
Show Earnings
Show Dividends
Show All Events
A/D Line

Volume
Volume+
Relative Strength Index (RSI)
Moving Average Convergence/Divergence (MACD)
On Balance Volume (OBV)
Fast Stochastic
Slow Stochasitc
Rate of Change (ROC)
Williams %R
Money Flow
Volume Accumulation
Volatility Fast
Volatility Slow
Momentum
Ultimate Oscillator
% Short Interest
Rolling EPS
P/E Ratio
P/E Ranges
Rolling Dividend
Yield

Up/Down Ratio
Arms Index (TRIN)
A/D Line (Breadth)
A/D Line (Daily)

% Compare

Have fun! Sarah
 
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I toofind myselfmesmerized by Sarah's portrait, but I disagreebecause I knowmany highly intelligent beautiful women, and if that picture is indeed Sarah, then she clearly is both; however,it is quite possiblethat "Sarah" is a 350 lb. 68 year old manwho wears dress socks with bermuda shorts andthinks his"combover" hairstyle is cool !!! :shock: :s

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :^

Cajun
 
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rajun cajun wrote:
I toofind myselfmesmerized by Sarah's portrait, but I disagreebecause I knowmany highly intelligent beautiful women, and if that picture is indeed Sarah, then she clearly is both; however,it is quite possiblethat "Sarah" is a 350 lb. 68 year old manwho wears dress socks with bermuda shorts andthinks his"combover" hairstyle is cool !!! :shock: :s

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :^

Cajun

Mesmer was a hypnotist.AllI want to do ischat about TSP. If my pic is a distraction, I'll remove it. (dress socks with bermuda shorts? ugh!)

Come to think of it...What about Mike's pic? Should he remove his also? It's so mesmerizing. *LOL*
 
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Did not mean to start a war.



How about the I fund future?

Are the intrest ratesgoing up?

What is greenspans plan for the $
 
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Leave it alone. We men need a intelligent and beautiful women on this board. It keeps us in check. Excellent posts Sarah and beautiful picture.
 
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big.chart


i noticed you guys talking about the use of indicators and thought i'd offer something i was once taught. the best indicator is the one that gives you a leading jump on what is about to happen in other markets. in order to find that indicator, it's best to search for the thing that most expresses the insiders actions. sure enough, fear/optimism indicators are nifty, but they don't quite give you the jump you need because they aren't as close as possible to an expression of the action being taken. old schoolers used to use the cash/futures spread in the S&P to guide them, but as with most things, people learn and it isn't as special an indicator. it's important to understand that the investor has become more sophisticated in the past decade and so the circle of who knows what(insiders, a degree or two removed from real money) has grown more than is realized. the market reacts faster and thus you have to also.

i attached the sox index because high tech has led the moves in the market over the past 10 years and will continue to do so until the fundamentals of our economy change. it's currently an ugly chart (as demonstrated by longterm MA failures) AND if you had paid attention to it at the end of december, it would have given the best heads up about getting out of the rally that ended the year ... ultimately what counts in this game. keep in mind that when you look at this connection, you'll also see it led the oversold rally you see now ... the key heads up to that rally was an earlier MA convergence and crossover than the broader market.

where to now ? the broader market has healthier MA trends by the very virtue of still trading above the major MA benchmarks. what happenning? money is shifting to large caps and out of the smaller cap tech stocks. Barrons talked about this phenom in one of its issues late last year.

an added indicator of where the money is going is in the F fund (agg). it has recently turned down in its MA convergence and indicates to me that equities will still rise. how far ? i'll look to unloadwhen the the squeeze on the shorts drives equity prices close to the end of the year highs or if you use the SOX, it will be once it is driven to the 200 MA and is forced to fail again. big boys like Gates and others can handle a squeeze and will likely increase their position as the market rises, while others can't cover the margin, are required to coverand provide the rally.

as for investors like me, i need nimbleness when i see it coming but have thereality of TSP in and out rules. i currently make up for the TSP by getting out when i can and pouncing on OEX puts. remember that the SOX is still the leader here and needs to die efficientlybefore thebigger caps start to seebull market accumulations of buyers.

hope this helps you preserve capital and still participate in ways that accumulate wealth.
 
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Please excuse my ignorance, mrktmkr. Maybe you can explain something that's puzzling me.

You said,

"the best indicator is the one that gives you a leading jump on what is about to happen in other markets....the sox index...has led the moves in the market over the past 10 years and will continue to do so until the fundamentals of our economy change. it's currently an ugly chart (as demonstrated by longterm MA failures) AND if you had paid attention to it at the end of december, it would have given the best heads up about getting out of the rally that ended the year ... ultimately what counts in this game."

Myquestion is this...inDecember, the F fund was up almost 1%, the C fund was up 3.4%, S fund was up 4.2%, I fund was up 4.4%...and the sox index was down 3.4%

IfI had followed the sox indicator in December, wouldn't I have been out of the market and lost those gains?
 
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Myquestion is this...inDecember, the F fund was up almost 1%, the C fund was up 3.4%, S fund was up 4.2%, I fund was up 4.4%...and the sox index was down 3.4%

IfI had followed the sox indicator in December, wouldn't I have been out of the market and lost those gains?

first off, i'm uncomfortable being asked to excuse your ignorance. you are assuming what my reaction will be to your request for clarification ... a type of projection if you will. personally, i've come to respect the true measure of intelligence as the ability to see something definable, unique, and replicablethat 100 other people look at and see nothing of significance in. i don't know you well enough to pass any judgement on what i measure to be intelligent, nor am i inclined to let my emotions mixwith discussions concerning investing. i do find that the very fact that you are interested in managing your own funds, means that you have encountered occasions in life where your final judgement in taking an action was more reliable than that of others. it demonstrates confidence borne of experience and it's only natural to extend that confidence to other circumstances in life.

as for your question, the answer comes down to understanding the rythm of what you watch. if you were tied into the rythm of the market last year, you would have watched an up and downnet selling taking place until the later part of the year. the SOX led this pattern (as did the NASDAQ although it's subset,the SOX is a more succinct measure of the phenom) and you can see why, if you look at the health of its price patterns as compared to how well it holds its long term moving averages (more old school stuff) you have to go longer term to see that money is exiting the group. while the larger cap indexes held their moving averages fairly well, the SOX didn't.

then came the end of the year festivities and the opportunity for fund managers to show profits in the funds you mention by bidding them up and a seasoned investor who has seen thiseffect before knows when he sees it again. the fundamental nature of what the SOX is going through never changed and the investor who follows the rythm, stops, pauses, thinks of why all of a sudden should such a long term trend change. once the end ofyear festivites stopped, the SOX resumed its nature.

the basic gist of discussing the SOX with you is to offer the perspective that the closer you can find an indicator that gives you the lead on the major trend, the better that indicator will be. the best expressions of those indicators are in the real actions that people take with how they allocate their funds. the SOX is the most consistent one i've used in a while.

 
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Don't forget to lie on thecouch before you reply! baha :D



So...the $SOX leads by about four weeks?
 
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saraho wrote:
S fund = 95899W10
858675309..? What is the difference between that one and DWCP? (other than I can remember the latter and not the former as you can see)



saraho wrote:
I fund = EFA

Question to all: Is the volume reflected in EFA indicative of the actual index volume?

What is the difference between EFA and EFV? I figured EFV was the actual index and EFA would be slightly affected by fees.
 
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So...the $SOX leads by about four weeks?


it's not that linear. the best way to use a leading indicator is to look for the price pattern it demonstrates. the SOX created the oversold price patternslightly before the overall market followed. you'll notice that as the broader S&P is making healthy gains, the SOX is mostly down for the day. knowing that the SOX started the price pattern first, i'll keep an eye on it to see if it makes the lower low and begins rolling over, like most oversold rallies tend to do. if it does that, i'll move out of equities.
 
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DJW 4500


Suggested Symbol Bloomberg Bridge Reuters

DWCPF DWCPF us&DWCPF .DWCPF
DJW 4500 (FULL-CAP)


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DWCP DWCP us&DWCP .DWCP
DJW 4500 TOTAL RETURN



Suggested Symbol Bloomberg Bridge Reuters

DWCPFT DWCPFT us&DWTCP .DWCPFT
DJW 4500 TOTAL RETURN (FULL-CAP)




Suggested Symbol Bloomberg Bridge Reuters

DWCPT DWCPT us&DWCPT .DWCPT


I believe that the DWCPF is the best choice. It shows what your actual is after fees
 
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