America's retirement crisis is happening

[tsptalk]

I’ve got some good news and some bad news:


The good news is that you can likely expect to live a much longer life than scientists thought possible just a few years ago. The bad news is that you’re going to need a bigger nest egg to pay for retirement.


The retirement crisis and pension cuts will affect all taxpayers - Business Insider

 

[alevin]

Latest prognosis I read sometime in the past week indicated SS will be going deficit, as in bankrupt, by end of 2026 (as opposed to the 2034 projections I had read earlier in the past year). woohoo, my Longterm Care insurance policy premium going up by leaps and bounds as well, since they aren't earning anything on their investments either-they have to make up the difference between inflows and outgoes by bumping premiums, instead of from interest earned on the premiums already being collected. they may go out of bidness before I ever need to use it. anyone want to play poker?

 

[burrocrat]

roots and berries baby, roots and berries. live close to the roots and berries.

side benefit is they also provide bushes to sleep in.

it is coming, just as soon as we spend the last of our hope and change dragging the dead weight along and the bankers cut off the operating loans. sooner than you think. it is coming. get comfortable in the dirt.

and practice with rocks and sticks.

 

[evilanne]

Latest prognosis I read sometime in the past week indicated SS will be going deficit, as in bankrupt, by end of 2026 (as opposed to the 2034 projections I had read earlier in the past year). woohoo, my Longterm Care insurance policy premium going up by leaps and bounds as well, since they aren't earning anything on their investments either-they have to make up the difference between inflows and outgoes by bumping premiums, instead of from interest earned on the premiums already being collected. they may go out of bidness before I ever need to use it. anyone want to play poker?

I prefer Blackjack, how about we all go to Vegas?

 

[rktect1]

The party is nearly over. Last person out, turn off the lights.

 

[nnuut]

I don't think Obama approves of Social Security as it is!;swear

Obama Silent on Social Security

Back in 2013, Obama offered a constructive solution to partially solve Social Security’s shortfalls by using a more accurate measure of inflation—the Chained Consumer Price Index (CPI). Since backtracking on that proposal the very next year, the administration has offered no real solutions for Social Security’s massive shortfalls.
With each year of inaction, reforming Social Security becomes more expensive. Since President Obama was elected, Social Security’s shortfall (for the retirement, or OASI, program only) has almost doubled—from $6.6 trillion in 2008 to $12.2 trillion in 2014. (These figures include the 75-year unfunded obligation plus IOUs in the trust fund.)
Not only has Obama ignored Social Security’s shortfalls, but he made them worse by taking $150 billion from the Social Security Trust Fund to bail out the Disability Insurance program (Obama actually wanted to take $330 billion, but Congress passed a $150 billion “reallocation”). Using Social Security money to pay for disability benefits weakens, instead of strengthens, Social Security for future beneficiaries, who are on track to see automatic benefit cuts of 23 percent by 2034.
Social Security should be returned to its original purpose of preventing poverty among elderly individuals who are unable to work. Some ways to do that include using the more accurate chained CPI for cost-of-living adjustments, raising the early and full retirement ages gradually and predictably, phasing in a flat benefit targeted to those most in need, and enabling greater private savings.
– Rachel Greszler, Senior Policy Analyst, Economics and Entitlements

http://dailysignal.com/2016/02/09/heritage-researchers-react-to-obamas-budget/

 

[nnuut]

Do Ya know how much Obama took from Medicare? IF I remember correctly it was 1/2 BILLION DOLLARS!

 

[evilanne]

I don't think Obama approves of Social Security as it is!;swear

What Obama Got Wrong in 2017 Budget

I wonder what how many years that will reduce SS solvency.:suspicious:

Another Set of Overly Optimistic Assumptions Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me seven times and, well, that’s just shameful.
The economy has turned out nowhere near as rosy as Obama has consistently portrayed, and these overly optimistic assumptions have led to budgetary disaster.

 

[nnuut]

I wonder what how many years that will reduce SS solvency

If I remember correctly the revised date this year is 2028 for the first cut in Social Security Benefits, somewhere around 30%! What are they going to do about it, SPEND MORE.

 

[alevin]

If I remember correctly the revised date this year is 2028 for the first cut in Social Security Benefits, somewhere around 30%! What are they going to do about it, SPEND MORE.

somewhere this week I read it will come in 2027.

 

[DrDetroit]

I think one of the best and most sobering videos to watch is the PBS Frontline episode: The Retirement Gamble

I like the guy who thinks the federal pension system is unfair and bloated too, without having all the facts. Everyone just assumes Feds get benefits like the state of Illinois gives away, which simply isn't the case. I do my best to help friends and family with their retirement accounts and make them aware of long-term benefits, but I fear that there will be a much larger population in the future that rely solely on social security to live. Having spent a lot of time in post-Cold War Eastern Europe the devastation of defaulting on all pensions is stark. It's hard to come to terms with women in their 70s on the street begging for money to heat their homes, it's not a pretty sight.

 

[Warrenlm]

Don't forget America's hidden welfare for malingerers program, social security disability, which grows red and attracts transfers from what used to be yours for retirement.

 

[OhWell]

Starting to float / plant a seed / try to gain public acceptance, a plan to bail out another one of their ponzi schemes. Nice of them to bury the info then say even that is not enough. Wonder if these math wizz's factored in rapugees or illegals or the tpp or......... there is always a F'n excuse.




http://www.fool.com/retirement/2016...utm_medium=feed&utm_source=yahoo-2&yptr=yahoo

If Payroll Taxes Increased by This Much, There Would Be No Social Security or Medicare Shortfall
This is a legitimate fix for two critical programs, but would the American working class support it?

Sean Williams
(TMFUltraLong)
Aug 21, 2016 at 7:40AM

Image source: Getty Images.

It's a pretty fair statement that without Social Security or Medicare our nation's seniors would be in a world of trouble.

According to the December fact sheet from the Social Security Administration, 48% of elderly married couples and 71% of elderly individuals relied on Social Security income to make up at least 50% of their monthly income. Suffice it to say, without the safety of this income, a majority of seniors would struggle to make ends meet.

Likewise, the importance of Medicare is growing for our aging population. Medical cost inflation has handily outpaced the national rate of inflation in all but one year over the past decade, led primarily by surging brand-name prescription drug costs. Without Medicare to cover approximately 80% of the costs for seniors ages 65 and up, many could be buried under the weight of cripplingly high procedure and drug prices.

Social Security and Medicare are on a perilous path
Yet both critically important programs are headed down the wrong path. Due to factors unforeseen when Social Security and Medicare were created, strains are being placed on both programs that have them on track to burn through their spare cash in less than two decades.

Image source: TaxRebate.org.uk via Flickr.

For the Social Security's Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance Trust (OASDI), the culprit has been the retirement of baby boomers at a pace of more than 10,000 per day, as well as extended life expectancies. With the number of beneficiaries rising, and those beneficiaries living longer than ever, the OASDI is on pace to begin hemorrhaging its spare $2.8 trillion in cash by 2020, eventually running out of its excess reserves by the year 2034.

For Medicare, the Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust is being decimated by a rising tide of elderly Americans becoming eligible, as well as inflationary costs that are consistently outpacing the rate of general inflation. According to the Board of Trustees, Medicare's HI Trust could be completely out of spare cash by the year 2028, two years earlier than the report estimated in 2015.

A final issue for both Social Security and Medicare is low lending rates. Though low lending rates are great news for homebuyers and businesses looking to expand and hire for a relatively cheap price, they're wreaking havoc on seniors' bank accounts by pushing fixed-income asset yields down. Social Security and Medicare rely, at least for a small amount of revenue, on fixed-income bonds to generate interest income and extend funding a little longer. With yields falling precipitously, net interest income is reduced.


Understanding how Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes work
In addition to analyzing the financial situation of both Social Security and Medicare, the Board of Trustees 2016 report also examines the crudest solution to fix the expected budgetary shortfall over the next 75 years: payroll tax increases.

Currently, workers pay a cumulative 15.3% in payroll taxes on the money they earn, with a few exceptions that we'll get into in a moment.

Image source: 2016 Social Security and Medicare Board of Trustees report.

As you can see above, 12.4% of the aforementioned 15.3% in payroll taxes goes toward the OASDI, with the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance Trust getting 10.03%, and the Disability Insurance Trust receiving 2.37%. The DI is receiving an extra 0.57% between 2016 and 2018 to make up for a budgetary shortfall that would otherwise have seen it exhaust its spare cash sometime this year. The DI Trust is still on track to run out of its excess reserves by 2023.

This 12.4% payroll tax that goes directly to the OASDI is typically split between you and your employer, with each party paying 6.2%. If you're self-employed, you're responsible for the full 12.4%.

Furthermore, payroll taxes on Social Security accrue at the 12.4% rate up to $118,500 in earned income. This payroll tax earnings cap tends to increase annually with the rate of inflation. What this means is any income earned above $118,500 is free and clear of the 12.4% OASDI payroll tax.

In the other column we have a cumulative 2.9% payroll tax that heads to the HI Trust. Again, this tax is typically split between you and your employer at 1.45% a piece -- but if you're self-employed, you'll owe the full amount.

Unlike Social Security, which has a payroll tax earnings cap, there is no earnings cap for Medicare-based payroll taxes. In fact, individual tax return filers who earn in excess of $200,000, and joint filers that bring home more than $250,000, are subject to an additional 0.9% tax on any amount over these thresholds.

Image source: Getty Images.

You may not like this fix, but it would work
The easiest way to fix a budgetary shortfall is with across-the-board payroll tax increases.

According to the Trustees, increasing taxes on the OASDI by 2.66% and HI by 0.73% should reduce the long-range actuarial deficit and allow both programs to pay benefits at a level commensurate with 2016 levels. Combined, we're looking at about a 3.39% payroll tax increase. With the typical American family earning $51,939 a year in 2013 according to the U.S. Census Bureau, we're talking about nearly 18.6% of that income being set aside for Social Security and Medicare. This would work out to an additional $1,761 out of the pockets of the average American family each year, or about $147 a month.

Image source: Pixabay.

It's also worth noting that the Trustees believe that the longer lawmakers wait to increase payroll taxes, the more they'll need to go up later to make up for the shortfall. By 2090, an actuarial deficit of 4.35% of taxable payroll is expected.

The big problem with this legitimate fix is that most people are against paying higher taxes. Instead, the most popular solution to fix Social Security's shortfall has been to have the rich pay more. There have been calls to raise, or eliminate, the payroll tax earnings cap so that well-to-do persons pay more into the program. Because such a move would only affect a relatively small percentage of the population, and the average American worker is already paying payroll taxes on every dollar he or she earns, it's a solution that's receiving a lot of support.

Unfortunately, taxing the rich isn't going to completely solve Social Security's or Medicare's woes. It would make a dent of about 30% for Social Security's projected budget shortfall between now and 2090, but it wouldn't close the gap entirely. The implication is that benefits cuts to these programs could be needed, which few people support, or across-the-board payroll tax hikes could be warranted, perhaps in conjunction with a lifting of the payroll tax earnings cap.

While solutions abound, an agreed upon fix remains elusive for now.

Sean Williams has no material interest in any companies mentioned in this article. You can follow him on CAPS under the screen nameTMFUltraLong, and check him out on Twitter, where he goes by the handle @TMFUltraLong.

 

[evilanne]

I think one of the best and most sobering videos to watch is the PBS Frontline episode: The Retirement Gamble

I like the guy who thinks the federal pension system is unfair and bloated too, without having all the facts. Everyone just assumes Feds get benefits like the state of Illinois gives away, which simply isn't the case. I do my best to help friends and family with their retirement accounts and make them aware of long-term benefits, but I fear that there will be a much larger population in the future that rely solely on social security to live. Having spent a lot of time in post-Cold War Eastern Europe the devastation of defaulting on all pensions is stark. It's hard to come to terms with women in their 70s on the street begging for money to heat their homes, it's not a pretty sight.

The Retirement Gamble | FRONTLINE | PBS is a good film, but I don't remember anything regarding federal pensions being addressed. I didn't realized we got a pension until I went to a retirement seminar (~21 years in). New federal employees hired in 2013 & 2014 are having to pay a higher percentage for FERS than we had to. When I started in 1987, I didn't expect social security to be around when I retired so I did 10% max for TSP. People complain about limitations on TSP now, but it has improved over the years (From paper to electronic, changes had to go through HR and balances updated monthly, 2001-2005 slow increase contribution % until 2006 when IRC limit instituted, 2004 added S & I funds, etc.) Life is good.

 

[alevin]

Not all the SS Disability people are malingerers. Some of them lost whatever resources they had accumulated prior to experiencing disabling illness, such as a stroke. My Nam vet neighbor, 6 years hard service in Nam and Cold War West Germany a mile from Russian border, is one of those, private-sector workaholic low-end blue collar, burned through what he had after the stroke, almost a year went by before Disability came through for him.

He'll never get any resources back, VA doctors will never release him to work or drive again. they've told him that. He lives in a slum apartment, one of those almost uninhabitable places with a backed up septic coming up in the shower recently, can't afford the rent to move anywhere else. A few of us help him pay his back utility bills about 1x/year when he's about to get shut off after winter has passed.

He's awaiting surgery for shoulder replacement as we speak, due to bone spur lately developed from an injury back in the 70s that got minimal treatment, just a sling, back then. bone spur has move his arm out of shoulder socket, VA has told him without surgery he could easily lose the arm to gangrene. He's the last person to complain about pain much, he lives on morphine pills for other old injuries. but he's complaining right now about sleepless nights due to pain. not a malingerer. not at all.

I do wish people who could actually hold a job, would be given incentives and opportunities to retrain into something they could do, if they can't do what they used to do. A young woman with Down's syndrome is currently gainfully employed at a local grocery store, putting people's groceries into bags at the end of the checkout counter and doing it well. More power to her, I'm sure taxpayers and/or family are providing transportation and housing for her, but at least she's earning some of that support.

 

[PessOptimist]

I just want to add that adding to medicares woes is the fact that when military retirees turn 65 they are thrown out of the military care system. True, there is a pretty good supplement or wrap around called TriCare for life but the primary health insurer becomes Medicare. That is how the "free healthcare for life" works when you turn 65. People need to understand this also adds to the Medicare burden.

PO

Starting to float / plant a seed / try to gain public acceptance, a plan to bail out another one of their ponzi schemes. Nice of them to bury the info then say even that is not enough. Wonder if these math wizz's factored in rapugees or illegals or the tpp or......... there is always a F'n excuse.




http://www.fool.com/retirement/2016...utm_medium=feed&utm_source=yahoo-2&yptr=yahoo

If Payroll Taxes Increased by This Much, There Would Be No Social Security or Medicare Shortfall
This is a legitimate fix for two critical programs, but would the American working class support it?

Sean Williams
(TMFUltraLong)
Aug 21, 2016 at 7:40AM

Image source: Getty Images.

It's a pretty fair statement that without Social Security or Medicare our nation's seniors would be in a world of trouble.

According to the December fact sheet from the Social Security Administration, 48% of elderly married couples and 71% of elderly individuals relied on Social Security income to make up at least 50% of their monthly income. Suffice it to say, without the safety of this income, a majority of seniors would struggle to make ends meet.

Likewise, the importance of Medicare is growing for our aging population. Medical cost inflation has handily outpaced the national rate of inflation in all but one year over the past decade, led primarily by surging brand-name prescription drug costs. Without Medicare to cover approximately 80% of the costs for seniors ages 65 and up, many could be buried under the weight of cripplingly high procedure and drug prices.

Social Security and Medicare are on a perilous path
Yet both critically important programs are headed down the wrong path. Due to factors unforeseen when Social Security and Medicare were created, strains are being placed on both programs that have them on track to burn through their spare cash in less than two decades.

Image source: TaxRebate.org.uk via Flickr.

For the Social Security's Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance Trust (OASDI), the culprit has been the retirement of baby boomers at a pace of more than 10,000 per day, as well as extended life expectancies. With the number of beneficiaries rising, and those beneficiaries living longer than ever, the OASDI is on pace to begin hemorrhaging its spare $2.8 trillion in cash by 2020, eventually running out of its excess reserves by the year 2034.

For Medicare, the Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust is being decimated by a rising tide of elderly Americans becoming eligible, as well as inflationary costs that are consistently outpacing the rate of general inflation. According to the Board of Trustees, Medicare's HI Trust could be completely out of spare cash by the year 2028, two years earlier than the report estimated in 2015.

A final issue for both Social Security and Medicare is low lending rates. Though low lending rates are great news for homebuyers and businesses looking to expand and hire for a relatively cheap price, they're wreaking havoc on seniors' bank accounts by pushing fixed-income asset yields down. Social Security and Medicare rely, at least for a small amount of revenue, on fixed-income bonds to generate interest income and extend funding a little longer. With yields falling precipitously, net interest income is reduced.


Understanding how Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes work
In addition to analyzing the financial situation of both Social Security and Medicare, the Board of Trustees 2016 report also examines the crudest solution to fix the expected budgetary shortfall over the next 75 years: payroll tax increases.

Currently, workers pay a cumulative 15.3% in payroll taxes on the money they earn, with a few exceptions that we'll get into in a moment.

Image source: 2016 Social Security and Medicare Board of Trustees report.

As you can see above, 12.4% of the aforementioned 15.3% in payroll taxes goes toward the OASDI, with the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance Trust getting 10.03%, and the Disability Insurance Trust receiving 2.37%. The DI is receiving an extra 0.57% between 2016 and 2018 to make up for a budgetary shortfall that would otherwise have seen it exhaust its spare cash sometime this year. The DI Trust is still on track to run out of its excess reserves by 2023.

This 12.4% payroll tax that goes directly to the OASDI is typically split between you and your employer, with each party paying 6.2%. If you're self-employed, you're responsible for the full 12.4%.

Furthermore, payroll taxes on Social Security accrue at the 12.4% rate up to $118,500 in earned income. This payroll tax earnings cap tends to increase annually with the rate of inflation. What this means is any income earned above $118,500 is free and clear of the 12.4% OASDI payroll tax.

In the other column we have a cumulative 2.9% payroll tax that heads to the HI Trust. Again, this tax is typically split between you and your employer at 1.45% a piece -- but if you're self-employed, you'll owe the full amount.

Unlike Social Security, which has a payroll tax earnings cap, there is no earnings cap for Medicare-based payroll taxes. In fact, individual tax return filers who earn in excess of $200,000, and joint filers that bring home more than $250,000, are subject to an additional 0.9% tax on any amount over these thresholds.

Image source: Getty Images.

You may not like this fix, but it would work
The easiest way to fix a budgetary shortfall is with across-the-board payroll tax increases.

According to the Trustees, increasing taxes on the OASDI by 2.66% and HI by 0.73% should reduce the long-range actuarial deficit and allow both programs to pay benefits at a level commensurate with 2016 levels. Combined, we're looking at about a 3.39% payroll tax increase. With the typical American family earning $51,939 a year in 2013 according to the U.S. Census Bureau, we're talking about nearly 18.6% of that income being set aside for Social Security and Medicare. This would work out to an additional $1,761 out of the pockets of the average American family each year, or about $147 a month.

Image source: Pixabay.

It's also worth noting that the Trustees believe that the longer lawmakers wait to increase payroll taxes, the more they'll need to go up later to make up for the shortfall. By 2090, an actuarial deficit of 4.35% of taxable payroll is expected.

The big problem with this legitimate fix is that most people are against paying higher taxes. Instead, the most popular solution to fix Social Security's shortfall has been to have the rich pay more. There have been calls to raise, or eliminate, the payroll tax earnings cap so that well-to-do persons pay more into the program. Because such a move would only affect a relatively small percentage of the population, and the average American worker is already paying payroll taxes on every dollar he or she earns, it's a solution that's receiving a lot of support.

Unfortunately, taxing the rich isn't going to completely solve Social Security's or Medicare's woes. It would make a dent of about 30% for Social Security's projected budget shortfall between now and 2090, but it wouldn't close the gap entirely. The implication is that benefits cuts to these programs could be needed, which few people support, or across-the-board payroll tax hikes could be warranted, perhaps in conjunction with a lifting of the payroll tax earnings cap.

While solutions abound, an agreed upon fix remains elusive for now.

Sean Williams has no material interest in any companies mentioned in this article. You can follow him on CAPS under the screen nameTMFUltraLong, and check him out on Twitter, where he goes by the handle @TMFUltraLong.

 

[alevin]

when someone already has takehome wages that barely cover food, rent and gas, alimony, child support, not to mention Ocare penalty or insurance, but make gross wages that would be subject to another 3.39% hit, they absolutely can't handle that kind of loss to their takehome. not if they need new shoes or a vehicle repair or some other essential like oh say utilities bills due. It's that bad for the working class. My rental neighbor, asst mgr local KFC, who got sick and under doctor's orders was off work for several weeks, has just gotten evicted from her slumlord duplex apartment as of yesterday, due to inability to pay back rent from when she was off work.

Many people absolutely do not have a spare 3.39% gross wages available to be deferred for purposes of covering uncertain future costs, not when they need that money right now to keep body and soul together.