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Sounds good to me.
Sounds good to me.
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Mike
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Don't be sucked in by the 33% total return.
A 5% annual return on $7.50 = $10.05 after 6 years.
A 4% annual return on $7.50 = $10.26 after 8 years.
A 3% annual return on $7.50 = $10.08 after 10 years.
3% annual returns aren't good, unless you are talking about emergency cash reserves and high yield money market accounts with great liquidity.
Don't be sucked in by the 33% total return.
A 5% annual return on $7.50 = $10.05 after 6 years.
A 4% annual return on $7.50 = $10.26 after 8 years.
A 3% annual return on $7.50 = $10.08 after 10 years.
3% annual returns aren't good, unless you are talking about emergency cash reserves and high yield money market accounts with great liquidity.
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I was posting it because I liked the WW2 artwork and it did have some investing content.
I was posting it because I liked the WW2 artwork and it did have some investing content.
grandma
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That was an era of National participation.
There were big bond rallies all over, movie stars selling them, & you could get a kiss too! It took a lot of allowance savings, back then, to buy one! It was easier to save string & peel the foil off the gum wrpappers !!!
That was an era of National participation.
There were big bond rallies all over, movie stars selling them, & you could get a kiss too! It took a lot of allowance savings, back then, to buy one! It was easier to save string & peel the foil off the gum wrpappers !!!
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Yeah, I liked the picture and thought I was interesting that getting 33.3% return after 10 years was suppose to bea good deal. Now days people want 33% return in 1 year.Plus there is Mlk_Man with his super-duper"investment strategy that can make 80-100 % gains every year!!"
Yeah, I liked the picture and thought I was interesting that getting 33.3% return after 10 years was suppose to bea good deal. Now days people want 33% return in 1 year.Plus there is Mlk_Man with his super-duper"investment strategy that can make 80-100 % gains every year!!"
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grandma wrote:
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Mike wrote:
Mike wrote:
I can verify that!
grandma
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grandma wrote:
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grandma wrote:
Spaf - in your duty-time, a lot of our citizenship was certainly led astray by the anti-war movement and followed their lead blindly, unhesitantly. It seems, now, that those who were the prominent leaders of this group were, in fact, fully aware of what they were doing. Checking out certain politician's secret meetings w/the Viet Cong & Chinese in Paris - check out Wintersoldier.com - A slow, tedious search through the millions of papers turned over to the US by the VC, Down at Austin, UT. I tell you, Spaf, & the other Vets, Korea `the forgotten war,' Vietnam, `the betrayed war' and all who have served : Thank You.
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"Led astray"?To be young is to make mistakes, but Peace and Love are no error. When they drafted me, I became an even stronger advocate of peace, believe me. *smile*
Do you know any wargamers? Present your thesis to them, someone you know and trust, see what they say. I am one. The hobby has led me to a lifelong study of war, and history in general. Therenever was a more unneccessary war than WWII (so say Churchill and Liddel-Hart, and I agree) but Vietnam comes close. The ~35 million premature deaths resulting from WWII changed practically nothing. As in 1940, the world of today's three pre-eminent economies are the USA, Germany and Japan. (Yes, China is coming on but it has a way to go yet.) Vietnam today is right about where it would have been,had there been no war: the two halves are united and looking to participate in the globaleconomy.
War creates a lot of misery but little else IMHO.
Dave
PS Go here http://www.consimworld.com/to learn more.
"Led astray"?To be young is to make mistakes, but Peace and Love are no error. When they drafted me, I became an even stronger advocate of peace, believe me. *smile*
Do you know any wargamers? Present your thesis to them, someone you know and trust, see what they say. I am one. The hobby has led me to a lifelong study of war, and history in general. Therenever was a more unneccessary war than WWII (so say Churchill and Liddel-Hart, and I agree) but Vietnam comes close. The ~35 million premature deaths resulting from WWII changed practically nothing. As in 1940, the world of today's three pre-eminent economies are the USA, Germany and Japan. (Yes, China is coming on but it has a way to go yet.) Vietnam today is right about where it would have been,had there been no war: the two halves are united and looking to participate in the globaleconomy.
War creates a lot of misery but little else IMHO.
Dave
PS Go here http://www.consimworld.com/to learn more.
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WW II was anything BUT unnecessary.
Hitler was militarizing Germany for years - I shudder to think what would have happened if nobody had confronted the Germans. They would've ruled all of Europe save for Britain and part of Russia (and how long could Russia have held out without the allies opening up a front to the west in France?). They would've held north Africa and probably the entire middle east and its oil. German scientists most likely would have developed the atomic bomb - and along with the burgeoning German rocket program, they would have had ballistic missile capability before anyone else.
The world would be a very dark place without the necessary confrontation that was WW II...
WW II was anything BUT unnecessary.
Hitler was militarizing Germany for years - I shudder to think what would have happened if nobody had confronted the Germans. They would've ruled all of Europe save for Britain and part of Russia (and how long could Russia have held out without the allies opening up a front to the west in France?). They would've held north Africa and probably the entire middle east and its oil. German scientists most likely would have developed the atomic bomb - and along with the burgeoning German rocket program, they would have had ballistic missile capability before anyone else.
The world would be a very dark place without the necessary confrontation that was WW II...
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Then I got drafted..... I served my country, but Vietnam was a huge screwup. I came home a veteran with a college degree, but no one would hire me. Something about "baby killers..." and it wasn't protesters making the hiring decisions.
I think it's interesting that politicianswho didn't serve,feel free to attack the heroswho did serve, i.e. McCain (R), Kerry (D), Stockdale (I), and Cleland (D).
Finally, cutting the VA Benefitsfor Iraq veterans, money for tax cuts, but not for body armor (my wife's co-worker bought body armor for herson that was deployed to Iraq, duh) -At least we got everything we needed during Vietnam! --- You got to be kidding me.
End of rant.:^
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I was a big Vietnam War advocate in college. If we didn't win there we'd have to fight in California...etc. etc.
Then I got drafted..... I served my country, but Vietnam was a huge screwup. I came home a veteran with a college degree, but no one would hire me. Something about "baby killers..." and it wasn't protesters making the hiring decisions.
I think it's interesting that politicianswho didn't serve,feel free to attack the heroswho did serve, i.e. McCain (R), Kerry (D), Stockdale (I), and Cleland (D).
Finally, cutting the VA Benefitsfor Iraq veterans, money for tax cuts, but not for body armor (my wife's co-worker bought body armor for herson that was deployed to Iraq, duh) -At least we got everything we needed during Vietnam! --- You got to be kidding me.
End of rant.:^
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rokid wrote:
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Another agreement, rokid - total agreement! But I still find it hard to believe that the above happened (not denyiny it did - just still in shock that it did! Ok, I expect anything from the politicians but from the public is another thing all together).
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Birchtree wrote:
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Birchtree, I don't have a clue what you mean by the above statement. If it's not too complicated could you explain it for me?
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Well it suprised me too!
Disgusted, I gave up on the private sector, took the Civil Service exam, and went to work for Uncle Sam. No regrets.I've had a good career.
However, IMHO, we should only go to war as a last resort,spare no expense to equip the troops andcare for the wounded - physically and mentally, and honor the veterans. No guns and butter. Just guns! Everyone sacrifices. Not just the military.
P.S. Did you ever read Neil Sheehan's A Bright Shining Lie, John Paul Vann and America in Vietnam? Apparently the politicians knew we couldn't win the war before Tet in 1968. However, no one wanted to be theone who lost Vietnam. Consequently, kids I went to high school with, kids I played football with, and my Babe Ruth League catcher (I was the pitcher) were killed in Vietnam so politicians could save face.
I see this same madness happening again.
End of my last rant on this subject.
WW,
Well it suprised me too!
Disgusted, I gave up on the private sector, took the Civil Service exam, and went to work for Uncle Sam. No regrets.I've had a good career.
However, IMHO, we should only go to war as a last resort,spare no expense to equip the troops andcare for the wounded - physically and mentally, and honor the veterans. No guns and butter. Just guns! Everyone sacrifices. Not just the military.
P.S. Did you ever read Neil Sheehan's A Bright Shining Lie, John Paul Vann and America in Vietnam? Apparently the politicians knew we couldn't win the war before Tet in 1968. However, no one wanted to be theone who lost Vietnam. Consequently, kids I went to high school with, kids I played football with, and my Babe Ruth League catcher (I was the pitcher) were killed in Vietnam so politicians could save face.
I see this same madness happening again.
End of my last rant on this subject.
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Wonder Woman,
Sometimes prudence is the better part of valor. When I came home in July 1969 I decided I would try to avoid confrontation so I would be less tempted to hurt myself and anyone else. Those were cruel times - and I had to get a job and get educated in the process. Peace be still was the best choice.
One of my first jobs while in school was working the night shift at a University infirmary acting as a medical person providing secondary security function to stop kids from breaking in to steal drugs. My medical function ended up being a baby sitter helping kids my age through bad LSD trips. Timothy Leary ruled - SDS was active. Had to read a couple of books about blue cheer to be useful. As the Beetles say - those were the days. I earned the combat medical badge while in Vietnam and wore it again for the first time in 1985. Yes those were the days - and I thank Ronald Reagan for giving me back my pride and helping restore my honor.
Dennis
Wonder Woman,
Sometimes prudence is the better part of valor. When I came home in July 1969 I decided I would try to avoid confrontation so I would be less tempted to hurt myself and anyone else. Those were cruel times - and I had to get a job and get educated in the process. Peace be still was the best choice.
One of my first jobs while in school was working the night shift at a University infirmary acting as a medical person providing secondary security function to stop kids from breaking in to steal drugs. My medical function ended up being a baby sitter helping kids my age through bad LSD trips. Timothy Leary ruled - SDS was active. Had to read a couple of books about blue cheer to be useful. As the Beetles say - those were the days. I earned the combat medical badge while in Vietnam and wore it again for the first time in 1985. Yes those were the days - and I thank Ronald Reagan for giving me back my pride and helping restore my honor.
Dennis
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